Yankees and luxury tax
Jersey
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They owe $34 million 
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Yeah, come on more bashing please. That is what Red Sox and Mets fans will do on the night of the coup.
A salary cap is the only thing that will save MLB from itself (now cue all the raving yankee 'fans' about how bad a cap would be).
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<< <i>They should pay more...they are single handedly ruining baseball for over 1/2 the country. Because of their substanstial revenue advantages, they are able to drum up a ton more payroll. This forces other teams with the same means (Boston, NY mets, etc) to do the same, squeezing the life out of the small market teams.
A salary cap is the only thing that will save MLB from itself (now cue all the raving yankee 'fans' about how bad a cap would be). >>
Correct. How much longer can the KC Royals, TB Rays, Brewers, and teams like them exist before they become the Montreal Expos? KC is really sad -- I lived in Omaha during the George Brett era, and those were great times for the team with fan support from all over the Plains. I feel sorry for them now -- when they improve, their best players bolt or get traded, and then they are back in the cellar -- a perpetual cycle.
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<< <i>They should pay more...they are single handedly ruining baseball for over 1/2 the country. Because of their substanstial revenue advantages, they are able to drum up a ton more payroll. This forces other teams with the same means (Boston, NY mets, etc) to do the same, squeezing the life out of the small market teams.
A salary cap is the only thing that will save MLB from itself (now cue all the raving yankee 'fans' about how bad a cap would be). >>
Correct. How much longer can the KC Royals, TB Rays, Brewers, and teams like them exist before they become the Montreal Expos? KC is really sad -- I lived in Omaha during the George Brett era, and those were great times for the team with fan support from all over the Plains. I feel sorry for them now -- when they improve, their best players bolt or get traded, and then they are back in the cellar -- a perpetual cycle. >>
I agree with most of the above points EXCEPT the BS about "How much longer can the KC Royals, TB Rays, Brewers, and teams like them exist before they become the Montreal Expos? " You Yankee haters act like it is some new world these teams are playing in. The Yankees have out spent teams since the 1920's. They have raided the likes of the St. Louis Bowns and KC Royals for talent FOREVER. It s not fair, but this is how it has ALWAYS been. Stop thinking you guys have some crystal ball and think you know where the game is headed. Because you don't.
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The Yankees have out spent teams since the 1920's. >>
True, but have they always outspent the competition by such a huge margin? NY's payroll is 5 times more than the Royals. While I have no sympathy for the Royals since the Twins have proven that it doesn't take 150 million to be competitive, it definitely puts teams like KC and TB at a huge disadvantage. KC's problems lie in their absolute inablilty to recognize and develop talent at the lower levels.
I don't think that we are anywhere near getting a salary cap for baseball. In order to make the game competitive, MLB would have to make the cap in the 80-90 million range. Do you really think that MLB would stick it to the likes of the Yankees and Red Sox, their two biggest moneymakers, and tell them to cut their payrolls in half? I think that the Yankees have things so far skewed that it would be impossible to impose a salary cap anytime in the near future.
Let it be known that all of the owners approved the revenue share program except one - Mr. George Steinbrenner. Now all of the owners complain about it?
Hey, if the owners of the Royals, Pirates, and Devil Rays (among others) want to run their teams into the ground and take the revenue share and spend it on real estate, boats, etc. instead of their teams as originally intended......it is their decision. Ultimately, the market will sort these issues out. If the teams continue to “lose money” as the owners state, then (1) owners will sell or (2) the team will fold. Economics usually prevails. Unfortunately for fans, franchises with a great history like the Pirates and Royals are tainted and forgotten as a result.
And there are those out there that say that the revenue share is not enough - but it is a start. Perhaps if the owners of the smaller market teams did a better job of running their teams, it wouldn't be quite an issue. It's not like George Steinbrenner came in when he bought the Yankees and made the amount of money that he makes today. Attendance, performance, and image were a big issue when George came in. He was just determined to change it and did.
Sure, big market teams have an advantage, but it doesn't mean the small market teams can't compete. Although the economics are different in football, look at how an otherwise crappy city like Green Bay can support a football team that is one of the greatest in NFL history.
Overall, everyone would love to have an owner like George Steinbrenner. If my Cubbies had someone like George, I'm sure I wouldn't be here talking about how it has been nearly a century since the Cubs last won a WS - which by the way was when there were only about 8 teams in baseball!!
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This is a post how I hate how modern baseball has turned into a 'have and have not' type situation.
Notice I simply said that the yankees started the trend that a number of teams now follow.
<< <i>ure, big market teams have an advantage, but it doesn't mean the small market teams can't compete. Although the economics are different in football, look at how an otherwise crappy city like Green Bay can support a football team that is one of the greatest in NFL history. >>
Revenue sharing is the reason. I am surprised that softie, who seems to idolize Wellington Mara, who felt so strongly that for the long term health of the NFL, that the revenue needed to be spread among all the teams. But when it comes to the yankees, you don't share that mentality?
Hypocrite.
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<< <i> Revenue sharing is the reason. I am surprised that softie, who seems to idolize Wellington Mara, who felt so strongly that for the long term health of the NFL, that the revenue needed to be spread among all the teams. But when it comes to the yankees, you don't share that mentality?
Hypocrite. >>
actually axtell, I DO support the salary cap arguement. The point I was making in my previous post was that the Yankee spending and raiding teams for talent is NOTHING NEW. Some of you guys speak like this is a recent trend in the game, and that the game is being ruined. WRONG, the Yankees have failed to ruin baseball for 80+ years operating this way and they won't "ruin" baseball in the next 80 years either. With that said, I WOULD FULLY ENDORSE A CAP
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In KC, we've pounded our owner, David Glass, to tell us HOW MUCH we receive, and where has it gone? We are constantly told, that he doesn't know how much KC receives...........I've always called BS on that!
There is absolutely no difference now involving the disparity in team payrolls than there was in baseball 50 or 60 years ago. It, like all other news in todays time is more in our face everyday, making it impossible not to hear about all the time.
Show some statistical proof to backup your statement.
The Yankees have out spent teams since the 1920's.
With all due respect, that's incorrect - go look at the mid 80's - guess who had one of the highest payrolls year after year in baseball - the Royals!
I probably could pull up other examples, but off the top of my head, I do know that the Royals had one of the highest payrolls in baseball, and Mr. Kaufman probably broke even, or made very little profit on his team.
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The Yankees have out spent teams since the 1920's.
With all due respect, that's incorrect - go look at the mid 80's - guess who had one of the highest payrolls year after year in baseball - the Royals!
I probably could pull up other examples, but off the top of my head, I do know that the Royals had one of the highest payrolls in baseball, and Mr. Kaufman probably broke even, or made very little profit on his team. >>
good point! BUT, in general the Yankees have out spent almost everybody since Babe Ruth. Raiding teams and spending money. Anyway, there are many years that even the Yankees didn't have the highest payroll in the game. As recently as the 1996 championship year when the Dodgers held that award!
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If MLB wanted to "fix" the Yankees, they would simply relocate a team to northern New Jersey and make sure it is in the hands of a deep-pocket owner (Larry Dolan?)... within a decade, the Yankee cash pool would be sliced considerably and most of baseball's financial problems would be over... they had it right 50 years ago when they ran 3 MLB teams out of the metro NY area... they need to do it again.
The one thing that most of us can agree on is that we love baseball, and we like competitive teams.....good for baseball, good for fans, good for card prices!
CON is 100% correct - most of us who have followed the business (boring) of baseball understand that the multimedia contract the Yankees have is unparalleled in terms of revenue.
You mean that the Royals aren't raking in the dough on UPN?
I live North of KC aways, I've heard of UPN, but we don't get that........my guess is that the revenue recognized would almost pay John Buck's salary!
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Softparade is correct the Yanks have always outspent the competition (well almost) see above example and if memeory serves me when CBS owned the team.
I'm sure that for a few seasons Babe Ruth had a salary that equaled whole teams salary.
With all that I would be in favor of some sort of cap. However maybe if the teams that recieve the luxuary tax payments used it for players they could be competitive too. Remm 10 to 15 games over the course of a 6 month season seperate the P.O teams from the also rans.
Steve