blunder by pcgs ms 66
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BTW, seller is a member here.
J
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Good guy, and I'll also bet the coin is really nice.
<< <i>I just noticed the seller was Darin.
Good guy, and I'll also bet the coin is really nice.
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I think the coin is likely a legit MS66 -- I would buy it, but I like to see the hand detail struck a bit better at that grade level. But that color . . . .
Tom
BTW...I've never known Darin to buy marginal or junk material.
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<< <i>I think the coin would look better in hand also. >>
Even if it doesn't, I think it looks just fine (in fact, quite attractive) in the images.
Here's a PCGS MS67 example that brought $4887 in November. I'll take Darin's MS66 Ebay offering at less than 10% of that, thank you.
obverse image
reverse image
i was a little sad that no one would answer my penny question.
i new you guys would post to this one..
on the walker the stars dont seem to have any detail?
also the coin looks like it has some lime scale on the front.
Damn...He got me.
Tom
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You mean you can't comment without buying-----now that's funny.
Don't judge the coin by the man's picture taking ability
I actually saw the coin in hand at last Sunday's Nashua coin show.
A lot of 5XXXXXXX holder coins favored eye appeal versus technical grade, and this coin is a prime example.
Most 64's I have are equal to this coin in their surfaces/state of preservation, but this coin has better eye appeal than this picture shows.
This is an illustration of what we today call market grading...meaning "this coin should sell for MS66 money".
Personally the coin does absolutely nothing for me, but heck I bought a coin for 2x what I should've paid and it did nothing for others
<< <i>hahah made you post.
i was a little sad that no one would answer my penny question.
i new you guys would post to this one..
on the walker the stars dont seem to have any detail?
also the coin looks like it has some lime scale on the front. >>
What an idiot.
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<< <i>What's with you all giving Spec credibility by 1) not debating his thread title, thereby implying you agree, and 2) going after Darin, out of the blue. There's a lot of #2 going on here lately. It's unseemly, and makes it appear that the coin forum has become a free fire zone for anyone criticizing another member's items for sale, without questionig their motivation, or their bona fides in doing so. Have you all forgotten this guy's earlier threads, or his attack on Jeremy, for which a mod said he was going to be bammed, but which did not occur for some reason? I don't have a "don't feed the troll" icon, but would use it here if I did. >>
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<< <i>What's with you all giving Spec credibility by 1) not debating his thread title, thereby implying you agree, and 2) going after Darin, out of the blue. There's a lot of #2 going on here lately. It's unseemly, and makes it appear that the coin forum has become a free fire zone for anyone criticizing another member's items for sale, without questionig their motivation, or their bona fides in doing so. Have you all forgotten this guy's earlier threads, or his attack on Jeremy, for which a mod said he was going to be bammed, but which did not occur for some reason? I don't have a "don't feed the troll" icon, but would use it here if I did. >>
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I believe that Pharmer is referring to this coinspeculator dickhead being a troll and for the ration of zhit he gave Jeremy over an off-color remark with regard to Jeremy's faith.
Darin is a straight shooter and this coinspeculator dickhead seems to think he can grade Darin's WLH from a sketchy picture.
<< <i>Wow! Take a look at this toned Pilgrim he has for sale! I would buy it but I already have one. looks nice-----------------------------BigE >>
I just tried and missed!!!...Mike
That pilgrim is one nice coin for sure and for certain!
Cheers,
Bob
<< <i>I had that Pilgrim in my hand this weekend in Nashua. However, I bought his toned Vermont commem instead (already had a toned Pilgrim).
That pilgrim is one nice coin for sure and for certain!
Cheers,
Bob >>
Likewise, I checked out the Pilgrim also and it's a really cool coin. Almost makes me want to start collecting commem's.
Darin is a GREAT!! guy.
Every month I see him at the local coin shows, and come with my kids, he ALWAYS gives them a coin (even though I've tried paying him several times, he has refused).
I've also tried to buy a coin from him but we haven't yet connected on a transaction...I'm sure we will, though.
Also, just because a coin is one thing or another shouldn't change/morph this discussion in to one about Darin. The coin is in a PCGS holder and I believe PCGS slabbing this coin MS66 was the topic of this thread
<< <i>just because a coin is one thing or another shouldn't change morph this discussion in to one about Darin. The coin is in a PCGS holder and I believe PCGS slabbing this coin MS66 was the topic of this thread >>
Its amazing how some people can see every issue based on who we like or don't like. The poster is a troll and the seller is a good guy. So the coin must be a 66 or better.
Let's talk about the coin!!!!!!!!
It may be nice and have pretty colors which seems to add 2 points to the grade these days. Look at the obverse. I cannot believe that a Walker with a strike that weak could get to 66. The hand is totally flat, no fingers show and the flatness extends down the gown to the bottom of the coin.
Unless strike is no longer considered as a criteria of grading I'd say they overgraded this one.
it has nothing to do with who is selling the coin.
only that it may have aged poorly in the holder, or 2 it was given a higher grade based on the person who submitted it.
it does not and i dont believe pcgs gives higher marks for colors.
and swings there grading practice based on how pretty it looks..
if anything an a+ or a star for the coin of ms 64-65 .
it is this kind of overgrading that dealer frown upon.
i was trying to sell some coins, and dealers say they are in the wrong holder for the grade . so go figure....
i think this post is way, way off the mark. first of all, several comments have been pro/con concerning the coina and secondly, noone seems to have said anything bad about the seller, quite to the contrary as Lanlord pointed out. besides that, many probably have no idea about any comments about Airplanenut, i certainly have no idea what that's about.
<< <i>I would suggest that you refrain from making snap judgments based on small picutres. >>
That picture looks awful big to me!!!!!!!! If you can't see the strike in that picture, don't ever buy off Ebay of online cause thats a big clear picture to me!!!
<< <i>the coin forum has become a free fire zone for anyone criticizing another member's items for sale, >>
So we are not supposed to discuss coins, should we just concentrate on personalities instead???
<< <i>Darin is a straight shooter and this coinspeculator dickhead seems to think he can grade Darin's WLH from a sketchy picture.
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How many threads do we see that say, "hey, grade this one, or what do think this grade." Do we not grade from pictures all the time around here???
<< <i>Have you all forgotten this guy's earlier threads, >>
Ahh, so now we get down to the issue, some people here have it in for the original poster.
Keets, do you really honestly believe you could grade that coin from that image, so well that not only do you know the coin is market graded and is a true 65, but also so well that you can predict with certainty what it would grade elsewhere?
Such potshots at NGC made without even seeing the subject coin in hand certainly must be appreciated by PCGS and I know they are widely tolerated, but really you must get off the cool-aid, man. How do you know they wouldn't grade it MS63? How do you know they wouldn't bodybag it? How do you know they haven't already processed this coin and done one of those things to it?
I will say this, I've dealt with Darin and he's a good guy. And no offense to Darin, but his images suck. I will also say that anyone making any assumptions based on those images, have got their head screwed on backward.
<< <i>I guess it boils down to: Does a weak obv strike preclude a 66? >>
Not on this series, IMHO.
Here's a 66 I bought from Mark Feld. The strike is a bit stronger than the coin in quesiton, but it is still shows some weakness:
They call it market grading for a reason...Mike
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<< <i>I guess it boils down to: Does a weak obv strike preclude a 66? >>
Not on this series, IMHO.
Here's a 66 I bought from Mark Feld. The strike is a bit stronger than the coin in quesiton, but it is still shows some weakness:
They call it market grading for a reason...Mike >>
To the contrary, Mike. Yes, it DOES preclude a 66 grade, it just doesn't preclude a 66 label.
As per established ANA grading standards: In order to grade higher than 65 a coin must be fully struck. Nowhere does it say "struck as well as this particular year/mm/denomination comes". And the coin in question isn't even struck well for a Walker--let alone fully struck.
How does the leg on the subject coin compare to this 1942, ms66