Philippines: 1908 PROOF

jetblack740il · December 16, 2005 4:18PM

jetblack740il · December 16, 2005 4:21PM

AuldFartte · December 17, 2005 12:20AM

Neat color on that proof

... and

1jester · December 17, 2005 12:22AM

Yet another impressive piece!

lordmarcovan · December 17, 2005 3:54AM

theboz11 · December 17, 2005 4:05AM

Scavenger · December 17, 2005 4:24AM

Wow! High grade and only 500 minted - I'd like to have that myself.

lordmarcovan · December 17, 2005 4:29AM

All the recent Fil-American stuff I've been seeing is really tempting me to stray down that path. I would only be interested in the Sovereignty period, though- the Commonwealth coins just don't interest me as much. It's something about that shield with the eagle on it. I like that so much better than the Commonwealth shield.

FilamCoins · December 17, 2005 6:09AM

Jet, looks like a very good strike. If the fields are clean under that residue, you may have a real gem. Possibly a good candidate for NCS restoration.

Lord M, please, join the bandwagon. I'll hook you up!!

jetblack740il · December 17, 2005 9:40PM

You know what I was thinking about it. So, you think after restoration , submit the coin to NGC or PCGS? Please advise..

FilamCoins · December 18, 2005 11:51PM

I would say NCS and then NGC. You can submit to both on one form.

ecos · December 19, 2005 12:02AM

Superb Specimen!!!!

I appreciate the give-away, count me in!!!

laurentyvan · December 19, 2005 1:30AM

OmiGod-beautiful!!!! Congratulations to you!

Er, what does Possibly a good candidate for NCS restoration. mean?... and why?

1jester · December 19, 2005 5:31AM

I wondered about this myself, actually. In general, I believe conservation should be reserved for coins that need to be helped. But one person's definition of being helped might be different than another's. To me, it's a no-brainer to conserve a coin that is being damaged, ie active PVC. However, beyond that, the line between conserving and not conserving becomes blurry. I believe the subject as it relates to this coin is to improve the rather unattractive fingerprints and cruddy appearance from the coin. I doubt the fingerprints are harming the coin, but I do feel the "beauty" of the coin leaves something to be desired. Next question, obviously, is can NGC actually permanently improve the appearance of this copper without damaging it? I have my doubts, but others obviously feel it's possible.

FilamCoins · December 19, 2005 10:43AM

Jest, I also don't know if it will work on bronze. I tried it with silver once and it came out beautifully. I don't know what techniques they use, but I, like you, value eye appeal. I guess it's really up to the owner if he wants to spend $10 or $20 to try it.

Justhavingfun · December 19, 2005 6:10PM

Dear Jetblack

If you want to fool around with cleaning (conserving) the coin yourself, get some cheap schlock bronzes and mess those coins up first. Don't experiment on a beaut like that 08 proof.

But your other idea is pretty good too. I've heard a lot of good things about the NCS restoration process.

If you go that way, please let us know how it turns out.

And M'lord Marcovan -- We'd love to have you on board as a fellow US-Philiphile, but it would have to be an un-holey collection -- I can't remember seeing any but one or two holed coins, and none since I learned that you collected them.

All the best,

Just Having Fun

mailliwainareb · December 20, 2005 6:38AM

I have 1908 5 cents proof that has PVC contaminant and send it for conservation. This is what it looks like prior to conservation.

mailliwainareb · December 20, 2005 6:39AM

Sorry, that was after conservation.

mailliwainareb · December 20, 2005 6:41AM

Attached picture is prior to conservation.

mailliwainareb · December 20, 2005 6:43AM

here it is. With the bronze i think i will have to wait.

jetblack740il · September 22, 2006 8:34PM

UPDATE: I decided to cracked these two 1908 proof coins after PCGS slabbed it at PF61BN. Sent it to NCS then NGC , came back 1/2 centavo PF62BN and One centavo came back PF63RB. The images of these coins are not available yet. I'll post it when I get it back.

jetblack740il · October 6, 2006 1:10PM

results after conservation from PCGS PF61BN to NGC PF63RB

ormandh · October 6, 2006 1:18PM

Great coin!! By the way, how does one determine if it is a proof or regular strike?

-Dan

jetblack740il · October 6, 2006 1:29PM

business strike was minted in san francisco and the proof from philadelphia

dalbert · October 9, 2006 8:04AM

<< <i>Great coin!! By the way, how does one determine if it is a proof or regular strike?

-Dan >>

For 1903-1904, there is no definitive diagnostic (at least, not one that I know of -- and I've asked a lot of people, including someone who used to grade coins for NGC). The fields and devices being different is the tell tale, and the 1904 issues are really hard to see since most of them were struck nicely.

For 1905-1908 (except 1907), I think all coins struck by the Philadelphia mint (no mint mark) are the proofs.

Philippines: 1908 PROOF

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