Morgan Barwing? Not a 1889-P VAM 5A - New Pic - 1885-P with a dash under the 5

nesvt

Have there been any new discoveries for a Morgan "barwing" on other dates? I know the 1889-P VAM 5A has the "barwing" under IN. This 1900-O looks like it has the same thing. I've been up all night working. Am I starting to see things? This is the seller's picture. Is it worth a chance for $13?

messydesk

Most likely just the usual clash coupled with some discoloration.

DennisH

At $13 you don't exactly have much of a downside. Nice VF+ by the way.

Wolf359

Toning....I don't see metal I see colors.

Not much downside, but I'd pass on it.

nesvt

<< <i>Toning....I don't see metal I see colors.

Not much downside, but I'd pass on it. >>



Too late. I'm a sucker. Picked up another at $12 to save on shipping. Got this cleaned 1885-P with a dash under the 5. Dash, die gouge, scratch, whatever.... hack up your coins and post blurry pictures. I'm here waiting for you.

Coxe

Your 1900-O doesn't appear to have raised metal of barwing and doesn't appear, to me, to even be a clash. I think it is just a natural break in the device edge soiling from handling.

If that is a dash under the 5 on your 1885, and it appears to be, it is very interesting. I do not recall such a piece myself. Generally, the dashes were alignment marks over the tenth denticle to place the third digit punch. I am not sure, but I think they punched the first digit (1) and then the third digit (2nd 8). The 2nd digit (1st 8) was centered between the two and the last digit was punched in the final equidistant (to the eye) point. There are jumbled and slanted dates from all of that. Anyway, I might assume a new guy confused the instructions and counted 10 denticles from the first punch rather than from the bottom point in the neck. At least the punch was the 5 and not the eight. That does make me want to check for possible faint 5/8 overdates for the date though.

Interesting. Let us know if it is just a coin scratch or a (raised) die scratch when you get it.