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I am interested in building a complete baseball PSA 10 set...

GeoffEighingerGeoffEighinger Posts: 431 ✭✭
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What set would you suggest? I'm currently working on a PSA 10 1988 Topps football set because I like the card. I like the 1984 Topps baseball card and maybe the 1987 Topps Baseball, 1988 Fleer, 1989 Fleer.

Just curious what you all would suggest.

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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    Why not try the '84 Donruss?, there's a large thread listed here w/ many top notch collectors who can help you with the ins & out. Bill & Ray can answer your questions to see if its right for you. Good luck in whatever you choose...jay
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  • RayBShotzRayBShotz Posts: 1,088
    Geoff,
    Aside from perhaps 1990 Leaf Baseball, the 1984 Donruss set is among the closest of the modern baseball sets to having the necessary population to support this quest. That said, most of the 10's on the tough cards are now in Registered members sets.
    It will certainly take a large stash of quality raw cards and a keen eye for submission to attempt this in any set but the 1984 Donruss set is a beauty in high grade. Centering is a major challenge.
    It's also a great community of collectors assembled now pursuing the set, of which you would be welcome.
    Let us know what you decide.

    How bout you too Jay! image
    RayBShotz
    Never met a Vintage card I didn't like!
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Hey now, don't steer him away from 84 Topps BB. I need someone on here with the same interests, you already have enough Donruss collectors, LOL. Would be of great help if you are planning on submitting raw for those 84s. But I think doing a complete 10 set would be nearly impossible though.

    Keep us updated!

    Stingray
  • 19541954 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭
    Geoff-
    Are you feeling alright? I don't care what year or make you go after, that would be a very hard project. Like Ray said, you better know your grading or you will REALLY take a bath. My suggestion is to find two or three other collectors that want to make the set in graded form with you. That way when you get a PSA 8/9 you can swap out for other cards you need.

    I personally would do a smaller set than 700 cards. Your zeal for making that size of a set in all 10s would surely die.

    Shane
    Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    I would say pick the card style that really floats your boat. 84 Topps are not that expensive. 87 Topps are a little cheaper to pick up in raw unopened condition if you want to build your set that way. I think down the road the tuff sets from the 80's will be 86 and 87 Topps; 85, 86, 87, 88 Donruss; 86, 87 Fleer. I feel this way mainly due to the card design. Those years will show off all corner dings, ruff edges and miscentering very clearly. You get a nice collection of HOF's in these sets too.
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  • andrewlawandrewlaw Posts: 36
    why no love for the 1985 Donruss set? It has a couple HOF rookies in Puckett and Clemens plus some sweet black borders...

    I'm getting bored with this set as no one else seems to be building it...Come on now I need some competition...


    andrewlaw


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  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    what you need to do is look at the pop reports and see what is feasible to build...the 84 Topps set is rough...not many 10's graded to date..as for 87 Topps ..88 Fleer and 89 Fleer...cases and vending can be had a good bargains..(heck I have 4 87 Topps vending cases in my storage room and just broke 2 89 Fleer set cases..)...

    But no matter what you do...you'll need help...and that means picking a set that others are working on too....

    The 84 Donruss Set has ALOT of action...and the 9's resale is better than say a 87 Topps 9...or an 88 Fleer 9....
    So you'll need an outlet for the cards that don't come back 10's..should you grade yourself....OR...you'll need to find a buying outlet should you decide to purchase 10's outright...

    Whatever you decide....you'll find help here....just ask!!

    But why a 10 set...why not a mid to late 70's set in 9's??? It just as challenging...there's more product graded...and your resale will be better in the end??

    It's up to you to figure out what YOU like....and what floats your boat...
    No matter what..the board members will be there to help you!!


    God luck...
  • tkd7tkd7 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭
    How about one of the Kellogg's sets? The cards aren't that hard to find, the set is small, but would also be a challenge.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>what you need to do is look at the pop reports and see what is feasible to build...the 84 Topps set is rough...not many 10's graded to date..
    >>



    There are TONS of cards in this set that have zero pop in 9's too. I know Stingray has a long road ahead of him but doing a set like the 84's in 10? Better start buying CASES & CASES of cards! At least these cases can be had!

    There is a guy attempting a 1978 Topps baseball PSA 10 ONLY set. Unreal ..... and he is at 38% completed. Scary for the wallet! Unless the wallet is no object image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i like all the 84 sets..

    if anybody does 84 topps, i have probably 30-35 raw centered singles that will grade 9's or 10's.. if anybody here wants them, let me know..
    ·p_A·
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PA,

    Stingray might be interested. Although I know he is not submitting his own cards at the moment. He will have to eventually to complete the 84 Topps set!

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    A smaller $$$ set would be the 84 fleer update set, I know I know big $$$. But for the price of a PSA 10 Clemens you could have what 200 psa 10 84 donruss commons? This set has a few stars which we know, the Pete Rose with the Expos. I am silly... but I thought of this set first.
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  • rvcrvc Posts: 559 ✭✭
    i think building an '80's set in all psa 10 is a great idea. go for it!
    Bob
  • GeoffEighingerGeoffEighinger Posts: 431 ✭✭
    Thanks for the support, fellas.

    I'm up to 12/396 (LOL) as of today's mail in the 1988 Topps Football PSA 10 Set.

    You guys are right about it being hard to do a PSA 10 complete baseball set so I may try to do either a 1972 Topps Baseball PSA 7 & Up (and upgrade as the years go by), a 1984 Topps PSA 8 & Up or a 1987 Topps PSA 8 & Up.

    I have a question and correct me if it sounds stupid but how come the Topps Archives sets from the early 90s don't get much PSA love?
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    The 72 set collectors always welcome new members.....It IS a HUGE set!!!
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    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    I have a question and correct me if it sounds stupid but how come the Topps Archives sets from the early 90s don't get much PSA love?

    Probably because they are not worth the grading fees, which is generally true in regards to most 80's and 90's sets.

    Doing a complete PSA 10 set from the 80's is gonna cost you a pretty penny. Here are the two biggest obstacles in my opinion:

    1) Other than a few devout collectors, who lists this stuff? I can think of only a handful of dealers, and they sell mostly star players. Because of this you will have to ...
    2) Submit yourself. But for every 198? PSA 10, you will also receive a handful of 9's ... and an occasional 8. That "PSA 10" (if not listed on eBay) could end up costing you 20 bucks. Granted you will get lucky and submit that 10 with one shot, but you may have had to buy umpteen factory sets. One 80's collector informed several people he had maybe 20 submittable cards out of only one factory set! 20 cards!

    BTW, don't listen to me ... I am about 60% complete on 1967 Baseball - a set where many PSA 7 commons can be had for less than the 6 dollar grading fee and I am still submitting.
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Also, the 1987 Fleer glossy set is quite nice!
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • GeoffEighingerGeoffEighinger Posts: 431 ✭✭
    I know what you mean. I only found three cards in a box of 1988 Topps FB that I sent in for raw grades in hopes of a 10. The centering is pretty bad on most of the cards. There is a guy on eBay right now who has four of these PSA 10s I need but is charging $15 for Warren Moon and then $15 each for three commons which is stopping me from doing business with him.

    I don't think I've ever touched a Fleer Glossy or Topps Tiffany. Are they basically the same type of cards that are around now?
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    If you're going to be submitting them yourself, I'd recommend submitting a ton at once and asking PSA for a bulk deal. That way the 8's and 9's won't cost as much. This isn't something I've done, but Joe stated on here a while back that you could call and ask for a bulk deal if you had a ton of lower end cards to submit.

    Also, for sets where the unopened material is more expensive, don't completely disregard raw "mint" sets on ebay. I've bought early 80's sets on the bay that had plenty of commons that were 10 worthy. It's like anything else, you just have to be careful who you buy from.
  • RayBShotzRayBShotz Posts: 1,088
    Let me add that if you are going to submit yourself on 80's or 90's cards; let your standards for grading be PSA 10 but let your set include PSA 9.
    This way your set is true MINT, you will likely still have a large percentage of 10's (with a keen eye), and the results of what you get back from PSA are all, for the most part, insertable into your registered set. Yeah, value in market terms on the 9's is crap, but if your in it for the fun of it, the money spent on the whole grading experience is well worth it. You build your quality set much faster and with a lot less frustration. Just remember when submitting though, that you are still shooting for 10's. If you think with a 9's eye you may just start seeing 8's pop up in your grade results and you don't want that.
    Best of luck with whatever you choose.
    RayBShotz
    Never met a Vintage card I didn't like!
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    I understand the goal of having an all PSA 10 set. But to me it just seems like a crap shoot with the graders. It would be interesting to see what happens if you crack a PSA10 common and send it back what grade it comes back with. Repeat, repeat, etc. and see how many times it comes back a 10 or a 9. To me it seems like the Gem mint grade is a sucker for us to keep sending more cards (ie Fees) in the quest to get that lucky PSA10. Thats why I am just as happy with a 9. Especially on the newer material.
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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Question for the experienced set builders.......

    If someone popped open a vending case from one of these years - say 1987 Topps - out of the 12,000 or so cards you'd get, how many PSA 10's would you guess would there be?
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  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    the rough percentage of cards out of a case (12,000 cards) that you will grade will probably be around 400-500 cards...
    The rest will be OC....touched corners...bad cuts....print dots/scuffs..we all see these...
    This is if you're looking for solid PSA 10 candidates only!!!

    Now out of that...it's a crap shoot...depending on the grader....maybe 30-40% if you're lucky will get 10's...that's IF you're a good grader..

    If not...you'll be in the rest of the population getting 5-15% return back as 10's...

    The comment about bulk submissions is true too....and it seems that you get more 10's when you submit alot of cards from the same set.

    Now out of your 400-500 cards, there will be dupes..cards that come back as 8's or 9's....so if you break a case..look to get 40-50 individual PSA 10's (if you're good)...only 20-30 if you're a fair grader..

    That's about the average over my last 2 years ( i.e. 1980 topps vending, 1981 Topps vending, 1984 Topps vending, 2 1986 Topps football rack cases, 2 1989 Fleer Basketball rack cases..10 2001 UD Golf cases)

    Now as for my 70's material...the 10's that come back are leaps and bounds above the norm...that's why I'd rather deal with vintage...and besides, it doesn't kill you to get 8's and 9's back...
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    If I was to undertake this quest I would do the 90 Topps set. Nice colorful set, that could be made with 9's and 10's. This set would be my choice.




    I doubt anyone could make an all 10 set of this size though, the randomness of 10's over 9 is too subjective/arbitrary
    JMO

    Steve
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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963
    Of course, the 1993 Refractors is a fun set. And if you get a 1/1 PSA 10, you can always sell it for approximately 15X what a PSA 9 would bring.......... image
  • bsfastballbsfastball Posts: 455 ✭
    I cracked a rack case of 1988 topps BB and was very impressed. Im sure there were a few hundred 10's in the case, and at $50 for a rack case, its a dirt cheap set to put together. Only tough one would be the Nolan Ryan, which I think brings +$400 in PSA 10
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    That is great information, 5Stat. Thanks. I have a 1987 Topps vending case sitting at home that I bought for 40 bucks. My thought was to sell it, but given what I paid for it, it might be worth busting them open and seeing what I can get.
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  • StumpStump Posts: 927 ✭
    An all PSA set is a tough task. I have been working on my 89 upper deck set for over three years now and am down to the last 21 cards. I just busted 15 factory sets and have no more than 3 candidates of each that I need and in some cases just 1. The submission on getting an all 10 set is tough financially. I know having 779 10's in a set is great but these last 21 are killing me.

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  • VintagegolfcollectorVintagegolfcollector Posts: 226

    Dave,

    779 out of 800 cards in PSA 10 is absolutely amazing. Are all you cards self-submitted? Obviously you invested a lot of time and money in the set. It's an attractive set too. Any specific reason you settled on this particular set? Good luck with the last 21 cards.

    Peter
    Currently collecting

    Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.

    image
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    The 1989 Upper Deck set is an important one ... in my opinion at least.

    The T206 set and 1933 Goudey are the epitome of pre-war and the 1952 Topps set is the epitome of the vintage card era. Then the run of Topps began, with a few insert sets, and the occasional Fleer issue. In the early 80's, the rookie card craze began and other companies took notice. When Topps lost the legal battle, all hell broke loose. And in 1989, Upper Deck made Topps a second class citizen. With that set, the design and face of the hobby changed.

    Definitely an important set in terms of the hobby's history.

    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 1989 Upper Deck set is an important one ... in my opinion at least.

    The T206 set and 1933 Goudey are the epitome of pre-war and the 1952 Topps set is the epitome of the vintage card era. Then the run of Topps began, with a few insert sets, and the occasional Fleer issue. In the early 80's, the rookie card craze began and other companies took notice. When Topps lost the legal battle, all hell broke loose. And in 1989, Upper Deck made Topps a second class citizen. With that set, the design and face of the hobby changed.

    Definitely an important set in terms of the hobby's history. >>



    yeah but Upper Deck released 5 bazillion Griffey's in a real shady move .....

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    I think it was actually 4 bazillion ... image

    Again, it is just an opinion of mine. The Griffey rookie was the face of the hobby for years ... and it will still be considered an important card years from now. Value remains to be seen, but that single card changed alot.
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • GeoffEighingerGeoffEighinger Posts: 431 ✭✭
    Not sure if this is the right thread to say this in (but I started the thread so what the heck!) but I recently opened eight boxes of those overproduced 1990-91 Fleer Basketball just in hopes of getting a PSA 10 Jordan All-Star. I got 21 Jordan regulars and six all-stars. I submitted three of each but the only 10 was one of the regulars which went for a whopping $19.95 on eBay (I didn't need any of these for myself because I don't collect basketball cards). The rest were PSA 9. What was strange was that the one graded 10 had a fraying issue on the back that went unnoticed by the grader(s).

    Any other stories to share about this type of thing?
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    To me this is the problem with Gem mint cards. Its a crap shoot. I am sure if you sent some of the 9s in they might come back 10. So what does that mean about the Gem Mint 10 grade. Thats is purely luck.

    I also think that there are times when the grades get transposed at PSA. Awhile back I posted two cards that I had submitted together. One regular one die-cut. The regular came back a 9 the die-cut came back a 7. The regular is clearly off in terms of centering, the die-cut is dead on. No dings or marks on either card other wise. I will crack and resubmit the die cut at some time so I will keep you posted on the results. In this case I think that some how the grades got transposed at some step.
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  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    This is how you start a PSA 10 set.....
    I must be loosing my touch...I'm not sure where the 9's came from...lol

    Nov. Sub 1 of 3
  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    Link not working....how about..
    Sub # 4102579
    Zip 01562
  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    Let's try this...this was the breaking of one wax case....and serious deliberations of cards to grade...
    There are still 12 more Arod rookies and 3 Wave of the Futures that weren't graded (all atleast 8's and more likely 9 potential)....along with dozens of other inserts and stars....

    1 12430764 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 1 BARRY BONDS N/A 10
    2 12430765 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 2 WILL CLARK N/A 10
    3 12430766 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 3 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 10
    3 12430767 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 3 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 10
    3 12430768 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 3 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 10
    4 12430769 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 4 KENNY LOFTON N/A 10
    4 12430770 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 4 KENNY LOFTON N/A 10
    5 12430771 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 6 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
    5 12430772 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 6 DON MATTINGLY N/A 10
    6 12430773 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 7 KIRBY PUCKETT N/A 10
    7 12430774 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 9 TIM SALMON N/A 9
    8 12430775 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 10 MATT WILLIAMS N/A 10
    8 12430776 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 10 MATT WILLIAMS N/A 10
    9 12430777 1994 FLAIR 340 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 9
    9 12430778 1994 FLAIR 340 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 10
    9 12430779 1994 FLAIR 340 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 10

    Date Received: 12/05/2005
    Date of Grades Posted: 12/09/2005
    Date Shipped: 12/09/2005


  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    the hot gloves are relatively easy to get 10's on, and a very nice set..

    ive gotten 10's on every one ive ever submitted.. (probably only 6 or 7)..
    ·p_A·
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