Results from Freezer Find at Estate Sale!

Abaco24

These are the pictures from the best of the find, I would appreciate any grading comments. These will be my first submissions to either PCSG or NGC I haven't decided yet.

Barry

Why would you even think about submitting any of these coins? The cost of submission is greater than the coin's value.

Abaco24

Ok thanks for the opinion, I'd like to hear more. The price guides diifer from your opinion even at a G minimum grading on all. Not sure about the leaned jewerly piece which I plan to have removed from the holder.

tjkillian

Nice coins, but the Bust halves look like they have been cleaned. I would not bother to submit them for grading as grading would not increase their value.

Still, I like nearly any seated liberty coin or any indian cent. Nice pick up.

Tom

Abaco24

Ones cleaned (jewerly) the other is not.

lordmarcovan

Great coins, but I agree- it would be a waste of money to submit them for grading.

If you wanna sell 'em raw, I'd be interested.

Coinhusker1

Agree with the other comments -- those are nice circulated coins, but not worth spending $20 each to get slabbed.

Hoever, I wonder what is going on with the stars on the 1833 bust half --- is that a die variety, or post strike alterations?

xbob

Neat collection of circulated coins. I concur with replies so far on the question of submitting. Not worth it IMHO. You are likely to get bodybagged on many of them for previous cleaning.

If you really want to get them into slabs anyway, you may want to go ANACS. They'll slab them and grade them an also list details such as cleaning.

These coins would make a good start for a type album (Dansco 7070). The album cost is less than two grading fees.

Thanks for sharing them.

Abaco24

I noticed the stars too any help with a die variety would be nice.

09sVDB

None of these coins are worth the money to certify. Even if you do submit them the grading companies they won't certify them because most have problems.

originalisbest

My opinion is that Abaco24 just enjoys the idea of fruitlessly throwing his money away.

Abaco24

Original.
That's why I'm asking for the opinions here BF I considered submitting Mr. DA

Your opinion is of course invalid since I went to buy a $150 freezer vs a $600 one at Lowes.

What history of me and my purchases do you have to insult me on the forum?

lathmach

<< <i>Why would you even think about submitting any of these coins? The cost of submission is greater than the coin's value....Barry >>



Pay attention to these words of wisdom, Abaco24.

Ray

LastExitInNY

Very nice finds Abaco

lathmach

The 1833 bust half, looks to be O-109, a rarity 3 coin. It's a later die state than the one pictured in the Overton book, yours having the stars drawn to the rim. The only real detraction is of course the damage beneath the date.

Ray

Abaco24

Looking at other 109's on Heritage past auctions the starts are not connected to the rim. Any other info on the connected starts?

BlindedByEgo

Very cool score, Abaco. Go with the wisdom, IMO. Save for the possibility of ANACS slabbing the 1833 Bust Half as a nice R-3, none of the other coins

are worth slabbing. The recommendation on the Dansco type set is a GREAT idea.

Did you find any dates in the IHC's?

lathmach

<< <i>Looking at other 109's on Heritage past auctions the starts are not connected to the rim. Any other info on the connected starts? >>




The stars being drawn to the rim is quite common on the bust halves in late die states. It's die erosion from use.
The mint used the dies as long as possible.
By the way, you'll notice the letters on the reverse drawn to the rim as well.

Ray

Abaco24

Best I can tell from comparing pictures on Heritage of past sold and going through the 14 different varieties, my best guess is a 108 R1, then possibly the 103 R1. Both of these had the stars connected to the rim the most. I'm also guessing a 45-50 grade based on the other pasts sold pictures.

I'm also just glad that these have been "found" after sitting in a closet for over 50 years. My family and I had alot of fun going through the Indian pennies as well looking for treasures. My kids are now involved for collecting!

Cladiator

Can't speak for the other coins but neither of those Bust Halfs will get slabbed at PCGS.

dthigpen

<< <i>Best I can tell from comparing pictures on Heritage of past sold and going through the 14 different varieties, my best guess is a 108 R1, then possibly the 103 R1. Both of these had the stars connected to the rim the most. I'm also guessing a 45-50 grade based on the other pasts sold pictures. >>



Your grading appraisal is way off.

Abaco24

Like I trust yoiur opinion with a signature like that!

lordmarcovan

Wacky sigline notwithstanding, he's right.


(WTF is that sigline all about, anyway?)

dthigpen

<< <i>Like I trust yoiur opinion with a signature like that! >>



Right. Care to wager what the grades will come back as from PCGS, if it should even grade? You seem to be fairly sure of yourself, I don't know why you bothered asking for advice.

dthigpen

<< <i>Wacky sigline notwithstanding, he's right.


(WTF is that sigline all about, anyway?) >>



Lordminivan,

My sigline displays the reality of what is a whole new kind of crazy.

BlindedByEgo

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<< <i>Wacky sigline notwithstanding, he's right.


(WTF is that sigline all about, anyway?) >>



Lordminivan,

My sigline displays the reality of what is a whole new kind of crazy. >>





Yeah, but what (or who) IS it... It certainly is *cough* different.

I like different, mind you

dthigpen

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<< <i>

<< <i>Wacky sigline notwithstanding, he's right.


(WTF is that sigline all about, anyway?) >>



Lordminivan,

My sigline displays the reality of what is a whole new kind of crazy. >>





Yeah, but what (or who) IS it... It certainly is *cough* different.

I like different, mind you >>



She is Satan Incarnate.

mirabela

Abaco, may I ask why you would want to get those coins graded? As far as I see it, the main reason to get a coin you already own graded is to make sure you realize fair value when you sell. It has the most importance in a situation where one grade sells for X and the next point up sells for 2X or 5X or 20X -- you want to make sure that if your coin is really the higher grade, it sells for what it is worth.

With those coins, anybody looking at your electronic pictures can assess their condition with sufficient accuracy to bid the right amount for them -- and if they're off, they're off by $10 at most. Furthermore, you stand a better chance, for instance, with that Bust half of putting it on eBay with your claim that it is XF45 or whatever and having your buyer think "Yeah yeah, standard ebay overgrading, bid as a VF, $60" than sending it in to PCGS, blowing $30 and winding up doing the above and netting $60, or sending it to ANACS where it comes back as "Fine details, cleaned, damaged" See my point? Ditto the flying eagle cent, where you spend $30 to grade a coin worth about $35.

What you do with your money is, of course, up to you.

If you want to get them graded to find out what they "really" grade, it might be cheaper, more informative, and more fun to go to a coin show and look at hundreds or thousands of coins already in slabs, in hand.

Whatever you do, good luck...

OldTimeHunter

<< <i>Wacky sigline notwithstanding, he's right.


(WTF is that sigline all about, anyway?) >>

Abaco24

I was referring to just the one busted half as the only chance to grade at all, not the entire lot of course, which I think was implied by Thigpen. I appreciate the feedback and have decided from the input that I will just keep them as a starter set for my girls who have now taken an interest in the history of the coins. I appreciate all the input.

dthigpen

<< <i>I was referring to just the one busted half as the only chance to grade at all, not the entire lot of course, which I think was implied by Thigpen. I appreciate the feedback and have decided from the input that I will just keep them as a starter set for my girls who have now taken an interest in the history of the coins. I appreciate all the input. >>



Nope, as I quoted your text saying you think the bust half would grade that, I was definitely just refering to the bust half. You're wasting your money grading any of those coins, but if you really want them in plastic, send them to ANACS at least so you don't waste your money on a bunch of bodybags.

ER

<< <i>Why would you even think about submitting any of these coins?......... >>



Herd mentality.

nankraut

Abaco: Turn on your PM, or PM me. My wife thinks that bust half jewelry piece is "cute". So naturally, I'd like to buy it from you.

sinin1

your best coin shown seems to be the 1833 half - if not cleaned might go XF

the dime is corroded, the jewqelry piece looks shiney but is cleaned and in worse shape than the 1833

the 1859 ihc's look like environmental damage as well as the 3cent nickels



you have some $10-$60 coins that will be worth the same after spending $20 to put them in plastic

half of them will come back in plastic 'bodybags' without being in slabs



I thought in your original post you found some key dates in the 100-150 indianheads



if you would have gotten a 1877, that coin would be nice in a slab because many coins are altered or copied somehow so that not authentic



you did fine with your purchase, could sell the pennies and get over half your purchase price back


save your $100 to buy more coins

19Lyds

I didn't see any advice on the Colombian...........anybody care to comment?

IrishMike

<< <i>I didn't see any advice on the Colombian...........anybody care to comment? >>



Its a $3-$6 coin, why slab it?

D

Id advise against submitting any of the coins, as, in my opinion they'd all get BB'd.

Also, the advice on the Overton variety is generally very good here and trustworthy, as well as the grade guesses (Even thiggys , no matter the sigline)

The stars, as mentioned before are just late die state, nothing really special or unique.

-Daniel