Jeter or ARod in Center Field?
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Torre denies report of shifting All-Stars: Manager said A-Rod, Jeter are athletic enough to play center
"Torre says he also mentioned Mariano Rivera as a possibility, citing his athletic ability. The writer, Larry Fine, did not include that in his story."
Jeter would fit perfectly in center field
Of course this was taken out of context and the NY writers are having a field day with it. Why move the 2 time Gold Glove Short Stop to Center Field? Then you will have a gap at Short Stop or 3rd Base, assuming that ARod would move to Short. Of course if anyone could handle a move to Center it would be Jeter with his great athletic ability.
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certainly looks that way at this point!
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The new look Mets
they will add a catcher during the winter meetings. i wouldnt mind seeing piazza and castro platoon again if mikey came back for about 3-4 mill
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I applaud the Mets effort to spend like housewives, but the need to learn to shop like the Yankees, not the NY Rangers....
yeah all that spending since 2001 has got yanks no where! they won 96-2000 with there farm.
man giambi one heck of a signing. randy johnson and kevin brown got them far also.
this was over and dead as quickly as it first appeared a few days ago, but leave it to the spaminator to try to find something to post about.
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Grud
so what we gonna do with kaz? and is grud that much of a better option then hernandez or keppinger? grud gonna cost at least 5 mill a year. hernandez or keppinger will be league minimum with same production.
just get rid of kaz. and give a minor a shot at 2nd. if it hurts by end of may make a move then. grud is way to much money IMO.
Grud had 155 hits and hit .294 last year
Are we sure those guys are ready to step in and play everyday in the big leagues ? Delgado has very limited range at first. You want to take a chance going into the season with guys with limited m.l experience
I don't .
If we get him he'll be a big upgrade over Bustsui
anderson hernandez range at 2nd is like gold glove from what i read. he had a low 18 at bats last year after a 3 week lay off. i would go into spring training with him, give him a shot. he bated over 300 in the minors im 85% sure.
and actually pull the numbers on keppinger when he was up with the mets 2 years ago his offensive numbers werent that bad. they compared to gruds with out the power.
edit to add screw it i dont care im just happy were not getting furcal. moving posistions for him would of been a nightmare. He makes 15-25 errors a year at short that would double at 2nd.
Im just excited about the team next year !!
I've even thrown around the idea with my wife about purchasing a Met ticket plan . Possibly Sunday home games
He won't move.
A-Rod will probably.
<< <i>If he were such a great "captain", he would have moved already, and let Slappy play SS (where he is a better defensive player). >>
I've been saying this since Arod became a yankee...Arod is now a gold glove caliber third baseman, and Jeter's only winning gold gloves at short because (a) he's a yankee and (b) Arod's not playing the position anymore.
I agree that ARod is a better SS than Jeter, but I think it's almost certain that ARod is also a better third baseman than Jeter would be (stop me there if you disagree). What is not at all clear to me is that having them switch positions makes the Yankees better. They are improved at SS after a switch, but it seems to me that the drop off at third would be greater than the improvement at short. One of the greatest deficiencies that Jeter has in comparison to ARod is the strength of his arm, which deficiency would be magnified at third; but Jeter's range, while possibly not the equal of ARod's, is fine for short, and would be more than he needs for third. Yes, it sucks to be the best player in the league and not allowed to play your best position, but isn't what's best for the team the important thing?
Manny Ramirez is the best player in the A.L.
Until he gets traded to the Mets, that is.
<< <i>Yes, it sucks to be the best player in the league and not allowed to play your best position
Manny Ramirez is the best player in the A.L.
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Do you truly, honestly believe that he's the best player in the AL, or the best player in the AL not on the yankees?
I am no yankees apologist (I think this is quite clear), but while Manny is a great player, Arod has consistently been the best player in the AL (many would argue all of baseball) for some time now.
But he can hit better than anyone else, which to me makes him the best.
I'm not sure you can equate the best hitter = the best player...defense doesn't matter?
I'm not sure you can equate the best hitter = the best player...defense doesn't matter?
Correct. It's all semantics. To me, baseball is all about hitting and pitching. Sure, fielding matters. Speed is valuable. But you know what? Everyone in MLB is a fantastic fielder. Hell, David Ortiz is a better fielder than anyone reading this right now. And some guys take it to another level, and some guys are utterly amazing athletes, but to me when you ask who is the best player in baseball, it's first and foremost the best hitter. That's the best baseball player to me. The guys who are just so much better at performing what many believe to be the most difficult skill in all of sports - hitting a baseball - than even their peers, who themselves are the absolute best in the world. Not the guy who can go from 1st to 3rd in under 5 seconds or jump to rob a HR. Important, of course. But not to my qualification of the best.
Basically I'm removing athleticism from the equation, I know. But they're all incredible athletes, and you can debate athletic ability across different sports. But not hitting, and not pitching. And the fact the one may be faster or quicker than another in the field or on the bases is no where as near impressive to me as one who excels above the rest with regards to the true baseball skill of hitting.
I make a similiar argument as to why I'm certain Larry Bird is the greatest basketball player of all time. That's not so say he was more successful than Jordan, or more valuable than Jordan, or more dominating than Jordan. MJ in my opinion is the greatest athlete to ever play basketball. Perhaps one of the greatest athletes to ever play any American sport. With absolutely amazing physical ability and incredible jaw-dropping basketball skills. But Larry Bird is the greatest basketball player of all time.
So you might not be sure, but I am.
you're kidding right?
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<< <i>To me, baseball is all about hitting and pitching. Sure, fielding matters. Speed is valuable. But you know what? Everyone in MLB is a fantastic fielder. Hell, David Ortiz is a better fielder than anyone reading this right now. >>
Do you honestly believe that? Do you honestly believe that Ortiz is anywhere near even an adequate fielder?
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Basically I'm removing athleticism from the equation, I know. But they're all incredible athletes, and you can debate athletic ability across different sports. But not hitting, and not pitching. And the fact the one may be faster or quicker than another in the field or on the bases is no where as near impressive to me as one who excels above the rest with regards to the true baseball skill of hitting. >>
Would you say David Wells is an 'incredible athlete'? What about David Ortiz? You really think they are great athletes? Great skill players yes, but athletes? Really?
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I make a similiar argument as to why I'm certain Larry Bird is the greatest basketball player of all time. >>
I see a pretty big Boston bias here. Larry Bird was a fantastic player don't get me wrong, but to say he's the best ever? Are you really sure about that?
You didn't even say why Bird is better...you said Jordan was more valuable, and the better athlete. But you didn't say why you thought Bird was a better player.
Secondly, allowing some very slight exaggeration, yes, both David Ortiz and David Wells could beat just about anyone reading this in a race from home to first, and could all also track down fly balls in center field better and quicker and for longer duration than any of us. Anyone who doubts that just doesn't understand how good these guys really are. They've play baseball every single day at the highest competitive level on earth for many, many years. Sure, some of the guys are clearly not in fantastic shape, but if you don't know what I'm talking about in general or don't agree, then you really don't understand how difficult it is to become a professional athlete in the first place - and how good you physically have to be, and what condition you have to maintain.
Regardless, the point about fielding and athleticism was you don't get much beyond Babe Ruth league if you can't catch a pop fly or field a grounder. David Ortiz might look like a bad fielder and poor athlete compared to Alex Rodriguez, but so what? What is fielding? It's speed, athleticism, coordination etc. They all have those qualities to some degree, and the better ones don't impress me nearly (at all) as much as the hitters or pitchers who clearly are the best of the best. The point is, they're all frigging great. And when considering the best at a particular sport, I appreciate and value the skills that define the sport itself over anything else. A great athlete can be a great fielder. But only a great baseball player can be a great hitter.
How about if I just say Manny Ramirez is the best hitter in the AL. To me that is the best player, and I have no idea why I'm defending that. It's not something that needs proving, and this is turning in to a silly semantic argument. If you disagree with that statement and think Rodriguez is the best hitter in the AL, I'll gladly debate that one on facts.
I'm tempted by the bait on Bird/Jordan, and hesitated bringing it up for that reason, but if you don't understand what I'm talking about from my original post, then there's really no point since I'm just talking about what I believe, and not trying to "prove" anything. And I can't be any clearer than my last post.
I also think it's pretty silly and ignorant to question someone so directly who says Larry Bird is the best basketball player ever. You may not agree, but gimme a break. It's not like I said Chris Ford is the best ever. If you can't recognize or understand why somebody might possibly have the wacky and wild idea that Larry Bird might just be the best basketball player of all time, then you either literally don't know who he is (which of course isn't true) or are just acting the antagonist for the sake of debate. Another time.
you're kidding right?
No. Look at it this way, a MLB SS who makes 35 errors in a season still makes about 500 plays that 99.9% of the people in the world could not even come close to making.