NGC Grading?

weresteve

Hmmm .... methinks NGC can't grade hammered UK coins very well ...

Great Britain 1773; George III; Farthing; NGC AU58

SYRACUSIAN

Well, not a 58 but nice looking anyway. Where's Teg, our farthing addict?

weresteve

Just don't let him go looking at smoe of the other farthings and other low denomination coins that seller has ... to think that I thought smoe o the hammered UK gold hurt ...

coinpictures

Eek! Even to my untrained eye that looks overgraded. I'd put the front at AU50 maybe... might only be XF45. The back looks XF40 to me, definitely not AU.

MacCrimmon

That coin comes bluntly struck anyway. Most of what you are seeing isn't wear, per se. I'll try and post up a large image of a gem 1773 later.

I'd say as good as AU53 if it has good underlying lustre, otherwise just a 50 since it has the carbon spots, etc......you can't grade images anyway.

ajaan

Hammered? I have seen a lot of these with the reverse weakly struck. I think AU50.



<< <i>Hmmm .... methinks NGC can't grade hammered UK coins very well ... >>


With a sample of One you can come to this conclusion?

MacCrimmon

<< <i>Hammered? I have seen a lot of these with the reverse weakly struck. I think AU50.



<< <i>Hmmm .... methinks NGC can't grade hammered UK coins very well ... >>


With a sample of One you can come to this conclusion? >>



Firstly, that's not a "hammered" coin, it's milled.


Here's a near full blazing red obverse of that same date with a more muted reverse. Notice the reverse strike. One could argue that it's a PCGS MS65RB if it were better struck; it's presently in an MS64RB holder. Also, it is a quite severe repunch on the 3 (1773/3).....methinks, it should be recognized in Spink.




Of course, images courtesy of young Mr. Darkhorse. The numbers are occluded for not only Registry purposes, but hey, it might need an Prez. Review upgrade shot in the future.

ajaan

Mac, I knew it was milled.

MacCrimmon

<< <i>Mac, I knew it was milled. >>



Bingo, I knew you knew. I was just clarifying for any others....to wit, milled coinage was started in a production format in 1672. It was actually done many years before that, but I might use it for a trivia giveaway question someday.

BS

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<< <i>Mac, I knew it was milled. >>



Bingo, I knew you knew. I was just clarifying for any others....to wit, milled coinage was started in a production format in 1672. It was actually done many years before that, but I might use it for a trivia giveaway question someday. >>

Mac, you must mean they started copper in 1672.

MacCrimmon

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<< <i>Mac, I knew it was milled. >>



Bingo, I knew you knew. I was just clarifying for any others....to wit, milled coinage was started in a production format in 1672. It was actually done many years before that, but I might use it for a trivia giveaway question someday. >>

Mac, you must mean they started copper in 1672. >>



BS, indeed; the farthings and halfpennies were first struck using the milled process starting in 1672. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I've also seen several high grade farthings of Charles II, and they too are often lacking in the strike, especially on Britannia.

Aethelred

I knew that Ajaan knew that Mac knew that Ajaan knew the coin was milled!

Weresteve, the last English hammered coins were minted in 1662.

weresteve

<< <i>Weresteve, the last English hammered coins were minted in 1662. >>



Mayhaps ... but the coin still has the appearance of being hammered due to the strike ...