Kids on eBay - a perfect example of why sellers should wait on feedback
relayer
Posts: 10,570 ✭
I sold a $2.25 coin to what seemed like a kid - he sent numerous messages about how excited he was bidding on it.
The auction ended 10/31 and I received a M.O. on 11/6 and mailed it out 11/7 with some other freebie coins thrown in.
On 11/12 I get this
yes i still have not recived the coin and it should have been here
My posts viewed
timessince 8/1/6
0
Comments
the feedback system needs some fixing, that's ridiculous
He just joined 10/30 and I was lucky he found me.
I found eBay has a link to report members under 18 so I reported him.
I'll have to see if they'll remove the feedback because his account was invalid.
My posts viewed
since 8/1/6
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Post his eBay name so we can all block him.
Dont ya just hate it when people bi#ch and moan but wont say who??
The name is LEE!
I agree with you 100% on this, but, I don't necessarily agree with the feedback wording you left.
First, you state slow payment for the MO, but, if the auction ended on 10/31 and you received the MO on 11/6, that isn't slow payment (win 10/31, get MO next day when one can, get mail out that day (or following day if mail was already picked up for the day), then mail system takes 3-5 days (many stories about that on these boards as well....about how long mail can take).
Also, you state "to what SEEMS like a kid". So, you are making assumptions and putting that into your thread here and your feedback. "Children are not allowed to use ebay", in all caps, is what you put.
Reading YOUR feedback you left, and the followup, and the one left by the other person for him, yours looks like retaliation and childish with the all caps you used initially.
So, I agree that the person jumped the gun and was unreasonable. Heck, I don't even disagree with the negative you left for their neutral. Nor do I disagree with your reporting them to ebay (that's your right). However, the feedback you left....well, I think it could have been done better. Sorry.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>So, I agree that the person jumped the gun and was unreasonable. Heck, I don't even disagree with the negative you left for their neutral. Nor do I disagree with your reporting them to ebay (that's your right). However, the feedback you left....well, I think it could have been done better. Sorry. >>
So what your saying is that you pretty much agree with me
My posts viewed
since 8/1/6
I agree with your frustration with this young bidiot, but I also agree with Bochiman. Frankly, your negative is clearly retaliatory and contained two, for lack of a better term, lies.
"AVOID THIS BUYER - SLOW TO PAY AND VERY IMPATIENT - NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND POSTAL SYSTEM - WILL TRY TO RIP YOU OFF""
1. His payment was not slow--the MO was received within one week of the end of the auction, which seems reasonable to me.
2. He did not try to rip you off. He paid for the item that you sold him.
I would not have even left the neg...I would have left a retaliatory neutral. A negative should be reserved for one who does not fulfill the terms of the agreement. Positive feedback is not one of those terms.
Sorry.
"Nice Item but it took forever to get here"
(he won the item on the 11th)
Positive BST Transactions (buyers and sellers): wondercoin, blu62vette, BAJJERFAN, privatecoin, blu62vette, AlanLastufka, privatecoin
#1 1951 Bowman Los Angeles Rams Team Set
#2 1980 Topps Los Angeles Rams Team Set
#8 (and climbing) 1972 Topps Los Angeles Rams Team Set
Positive Feedback: 100%
1 neutral
0 negs
I'll probably have to block you as a poor seller
Ebay Hell ...
It includes sellers who withold feedback in order to leave retaliatory negs.
Thanks for the heads up!
Forbid it, Almighty God!
I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
~PATRICK HENRY~
rabbitracks toned showcase set
myurl
First I’ll tell you what I said to people who PM’d me saying they enjoyed the feedback:
The kid won’t care and the parents will think I’m an arsehole
The revelation that my feedback was retaliatory should be pretty obvious.
Truth is relative.
AVOID THIS BUYER An opinion that I believe to be true
SLOW TO PAY Since he had an expectation of receiving the coin by 11/12, then he had the burden to ensure I received payment in a timely manner in order for the post office to have enough time to deliver it by then – counting the weekend and holiday. Had he paid sooner, he would have received the coin sooner and there wouldn’t have been an issue. That wasn't my expectation. I just expected it to be a normal transaction.
AND VERY IMPATIENT He has the patience of a 12-year-old. If he indeed is a 12-year-old, that’s normal.
NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND POSTAL SYSTEM See above
WILL TRY TO RIP YOU OFF OK, so that's a stretch. What I really wanted to write here was “He’ll f&*k you over”, but I think that’s against the rules. Since he seemed like a nice polite kid, I threw in some free coins. He doesn’t know that yet, since the post office hasn’t delivered it yet. The only truth is no good deed goes unpunished.
If nothing else, he’ll learn not to take a neutral to a negative fight on eBay.
As far as being able to determine the maturity of someone by their communication, I’d say Boichman is 27, RYK is 46 and Coinhusker is 17. This kid was 12-15 (or had a mentality of someone 12-15).
Anyway, the point of this thread was why sellers should wait on leaving feedback. There are about 100,000 coins a week listed on eBay and this guy bought 2, so I don't really see a need for others to rush and block him. The odds of him buying a coin from you this year is probably about 2,600,000 to 1.
It's not HIM specifically you have to worry about. It's all of the other nice people on eBay that are like him, in a variety of different ways.
My posts viewed
since 8/1/6
EBay, like many companies, are not concerned with users as much as they are with earning calls.
Freak
p.s. I guess I should state IMO...
<< <i>I agree with RYK -- while receiving the neutral and dealing with a "bidiot" is frustrating, your retalitory negative feedback was worse and inappropriate, and was not the truth.
I was left a negative (my only one) years ago, when I sold (of all things) some golf towels. They were all of about $14, I shipped his and the PO lost it. He emailed me, I responded and shipped another one for free, he neg'd me 2 days later. He got the towel the next day.
I hadn't posted feedback yet, but still left him a positive - I said "Sorry that you gave negative feedback - hope you like your towel"
He did everything right - Paypal promptly, all info correct. I was pissed about the neg - but it was one out of a couple hundred positive at the time. He left a follow up saying that he was wrong (Ebay wasn't doing mutual withdrawals then). I know that if people researched it at all, they would see what an butth--e he was.
Yep, I think that you overreacted... I commiserate on dealing with "bidiots", but I still believe that the high road is the one best taken.
All that said, I want you to know that I don't think that you are wrong - but I'd hate to meet up with you in a dark alley
Maybe count to ten and breathe deeply... I'm 44 and have two teenage daughters... No hair left, but a lot of patience
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
can arbitrarily blemish a perfect reputation. For that matter, what about
outright sabotage.
Maybe ebay ought to have a mandatory 2 week wait before feedback can be left,
the kid would have had his package, extra coins his eyes lit up, happy as can be.
now we get what we had here today
<< <i>i'm not saying i have a solution, but it's not right that somebody, kid or not
can arbitrarily blemish a perfect reputation. For that matter, what about
outright sabotage.
Maybe ebay ought to have a mandatory 2 week wait before feedback can be left,
the kid would have had his package, extra coins his eyes lit up, happy as can be.
now we get what we had here today
>>
There's always lots of things that can be done. I don't think it is always the right thing to say "ebay should do....".
For instance, when I sell (which isn't often) on ebay, I do not give feedback immediately but wait to receive payment and make sure the buyer is satisfied that the transaction is over.
I DO make sure to be courteous and let the buyer know when I receive the payment and when the package will be sent out. I know that I appreciate that as a buyer and I try to do it as a seller. Maybe that would have fixed this issue so it never happened...who knows?
Each person is different, but I have found that when I sell, I try to take the best practices of those I have bought from and use them for myself.
If you take that extra 1 minute of courteousy you may never have to get into the kind of situation listed here where you are guessing at someone's age, blaming them if they are young (and impatient) and posting about it on a board.
(and, I wish I was as young as relayer suggests
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
If nothing else, he’ll learn not to take a neutral to a negative fight on eBay.
As far as being able to determine the maturity of someone by their communication, I’d say Boichman is 27, RYK is 46 and Coinhusker is 17. This kid was 12-15 (or had a mentality of someone 12-15).
>>
Yeah, you showed him. Bravo!
My, my, my, that's quite a load of verbiage to justify/spin your actions. Let's take a look at some:
<< <i> "Truth is relative" >>
-- This makes no sense. Relative to what?
<< <i>SLOW TO PAY Since he had an expectation of receiving the coin by 11/12, then he had the burden to ensure I received payment in atimely manner in order for the post office to have enough time to deliver it by then – counting the weekend and holiday. Had he paid sooner, he would have received the coin sooner and there wouldn’t have been an issue. That wasn't my expectation. I just expected it to be a normal transaction. >>
-- Very creative, but still a lie, he was not "slow to pay". The buyer may have "lied" (regarding shipping being slow), but that does not justify your lie.
<< <i> WILL TRY TO RIP YOU OFF OK, so that's a stretch. What I really wanted to write here was “He’ll f&*k you over”, but I think that’s against the rules. Since he seemed like a nice polite kid, I threw in some free coins. He doesn’t know that yet, since the post office hasn’t delivered it yet. The only truth is no good deed goes unpunished. >>
-- Well, you sort of admitted you lied here. However, it does not appear the buyer maliciously intended to "f*&k you over", he just did not comprehend what a reasonable turnaround time for the transaction was. He probably thought a neutral was "harmless", not realizing the Ebay reality that a neutral is damaging. However, by retaliating with a neg, you certainly "f*&ked the buyer over."
Thanks for the complement on my age (I'm 41).
<< <i>Post his eBay name so we can all block him.
Yeah! OUT the Bum!!
TorinoCobra71
Bochiman: (and, I wish I was as young as relayer suggests I am closer to 40 though I do feel young).
Coinhsuker1: Thanks for the complement on my age (I'm 41).
I am 40. I am not sure whether the WAG of 40 is an insult
That type of logic would stop me from doing business with you. He wasn't slow to pay, he expected his coin too soon. A difference that I would have to assume you understand, and so therefore, would have to believe you are knowingly lying about. It's either that or you have horrible logic and either way makes for a very unattractive person to do business with.
But I am pretty interesting so I can understand that.
Anyway, an update is eBay NARU'd the kid - either he had invalid contact info, or they spoke to his parents.
I sent eBay an email telling them I lied in my feedback and asking if they’ll remove our feedback for this transaction.
FoundingFather- In the future if I ever have the need to make use of whatever skills and/or knowledge you possess, I just want you to know that I will be devastated by your refusal of us doing business together. And that’s no lie.
My posts viewed
since 8/1/6
It's worrisome enough doing business with someone long-distance, so you can't blame me for being concerned over someone proudly displaying their (what I considered) either lame logic or willingness to lie after a transaction. I guess I reacted because it's stuff like that I hate since it adds to the anxiety and takes away from the fun -- not as much as that kid though, obviously
"I sent eBay an email telling them I lied in my feedback and asking if they’ll remove our feedback for this transaction."
If true, impressive and good to hear.
Good luck.
<< <i>what goes around comes around, >>
It's coming around faster than you think. I've may have a neg brewing now. I just got an email from a guy who said the proof set he received today from me is damaged. I checked the USPS site and my set was delivered to him twelve days ago on 11/3, so I explained that he must have me confused with another seller, but since it was insured by USPS he could file a claim if he wanted.
Imagine that - somebody lying about an eBay transaction
My posts viewed
since 8/1/6