1935 Hinkle on Ebay SGC 88. Is it trimmed?

FavreFan1971

Hinkle

I enlarged the picture and the right border gets smaller and the bottom but the left does not. But the width of card seems to be ok. Am I looking at this wrong but I don't want to waste $2600 on a trimmed card. Please help me out here.

mikeschmidt

From eyesight - it looks to me like the left border gets a little larger, so it's a bit of a tilt (in my eyes).

Agreed that the scan and scan size could be improved.

The seller is a good guy - if that's worth anything.

Butcher

I don't believe its trimmed. If you look close the ink colors shift as they were applied. This is common in Chicles. The label is mis-labeled however. This is not a high # but the last # of the low series. And yes, Norris(the seller) is a good guy.

FavreFan1971

Well, I am feeling a little better about this card. Do you think it would cross to a PSA 8 if it is not trimmed.?

Here is a picture of the card. This the biggest scan he gave me.

Butcher

Centering maybe an issue and if this card came up in an auction would probably only bring $1800-2200 in psa 8.

5STAT

problem is..if had a chance at an 8..it would already be in a PSA holder..no?? I think the off centerness of the card is the reason it's in an SGC holder!!

But look at the top right corner of the scan you provided..it appears to me to be horned...as in tipped up a little..almost the same on the left..the top edge of the cards appears to sag...
Although it seems to fit nicely in the holder, for my $$$ I'd be concerned....

Just my opinion..but that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee

Southsider

I also saw this card and tend to agree that all else aside, the centering is not PSA 8 level. Still a fine card.

gregm13

My guess is that it would cross as a PSA 8OC or PSA 7.

Greg M.

Fletch1750

I have seen PSA 8 copies of that card with similar centering. If you examine the card closely you will see that the picture of the card "steps" in creating a centering illusion.

calleocho

too much money for a borderline card ....this card has achieved the highest grade it possibly could

Southerncards

Being quite familair with SGC material, I'd say that the card appears to be correct for the grade. More than likely, it would have been a 92 had the centering been a touch better. Hard to tell by the poor scan though.....and its not trimmed.


now, as for the previously stated opinion "I think the off centerness of the card is the reason it's in an SGC holder!!"......thats a bunch of junk. That statement implies that the card as an 88 would not hold up to a PSA 8 standard and that the owner must have, of course submitted it to SGC because it wouldnt get that high of a grade in a PSA slab. SGC, is not PRO or any of the other fly by night operations out there. There grading is every bit as good (and often better) than PSA.

calleocho

A maxed out card its a card that while correct for the grade, it got there by multiple crack outs and got lucky one day.

the card might cross to PSA as a straight 8 ..but it might take a couple of times.

Such cards should not carry a premium like the seller is asking...a fair price ... maybe SMR and thats it.

Southerncards....next time someone shows a off-centered PSA 8 I would love to hear your comments about how that card is nice and its really a low end 9 hiding in an 8 holder.

Kosmo

it is not hard to find cards in PSA 8 (no qualifier) and SGC 88 holders with similar centering. PSA standards allows 65/35 centering on PSA 10 Gem Mint cards - so I doubt that centering would keep this card out of a PSA 8 holder.

Southerncards

calleocho - I have never believed in the "high end 8" or "low end 9" descriptions. Thats why I dont use PSA. I feel that the qualifiers are a cheap way to keep a high numeric grade and yet be somewhat honest that it might be off centered. I hate PSA's qualifiers. There needs to be a more accurate scale between the standard 1-10 system. For my needs, I feel that SGC's grading scale is far more accurate and that's why I use them.

You may have misunderstood the point of my previous reply. My point is that for someone to say that this card was sent to SGC for an 88 grade and that it couldnt get a PSA 8 is ridiculous. While the grading standards vary between the 2 companies, this card as an 88 is a fine card. The problem lies in the fact that while PSA may give an 8OC, and generally a PSA 8 = an SGC 88, the centering that would cause PSA to give the OC qualifier is handled by SGC by lowering the numeric grade. This makes things confusing for buyers unless they know how to understand the grade. I'd much rather have an SGC 86 or 84 than a PSA 8OC.

Fletch1750

The card is a legitimate NM-MT card, it is not high end as evidenced by the 88 grade, 92 would mean it is high end NM-MT.

Griffins

If anything SGC is much tougher than PSA in regards to centering, in my experience. Most of the SGC's I've crossed to PSA have stayed the same or bumped up a grade.

kingraider75

I have purchased from that seller before, I think he's honest. He's kinda a 1935 National Chicle junkie, he's always trying to sell me stuff off ebay however. I would think the card was real, I don't think it's trimmed. The borders aren't always even on these.

aro13

~"If anything SGC is much tougher than PSA in regards to centering, in my experience. Most of the SGC's I've crossed to PSA have stayed the same or bumped up a grade."~
In regards to the grading companies and centering I really think it depends on the issue. For a couple of the basketball sets I collect (57 Topps - 61 Fleer) in my experience, PSA is much tougher on centering than SGC. Many of my SGC 86's crossed to PSA 8 OC's and PSA 6's with a no qualifier request. I would also guess that for some baseball sets SGC would be tougher on centering.

Regardless, I would agree that eventually most cards will end up in the highest graded holder possible.

wolfbear

Not trimmed, just a bit diamond cut.
Also, it would cross to a maximum of PSA 7 because of the left to right centering at the bottom.

calleocho

" I would agree that eventually most cards will end up in the highest graded holder possible. "

aro that was exactly what i was trying to say ...this card looks like it has achieved its ultimate grade.

aconte

<< <i>aro that was exactly what i was trying to say ...this card looks like it has achieved its ultimate grade. >>



Which could easily have been a Psa 8 on any given day.

I've seen Psa 8's that look worse than this card from the 1935 Chicle set.

aconte

Fletch1750

i see no reason why PSA would not 8 this card.

kingraider75

It's probably one of the cleanest 1935 National Chicle's I have seen. I am building this set, but I have a lot of GAI and SGC that needs to be crossed over to PSA. However, my set will end with an average of about PSA 1.5 or something. It's costly for me to build anything other than that. The Bronco Nagurski always goes for at least $1,500 no matter what condition.

srs1a

I think calleocho is right.

I also think people lose sight of just how poorly centered a NM/MT can be. I just did an search for '(1968, 68) PSA 8' ...this is the set that I collect.

Here are 2 of the 1st 3 cards that came up...





The T/B centering is horrible on both (the border under the colored ball is equal to the tp border when centered 50/50)

LEDFOOT

PSA Card Grading Standards

GEM-MT 10: Gem Mint.

A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card. Attributes include four perfectly sharp corners, sharp focus and full original gloss. A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
MINT 9: Mint.

A PSA Mint 9 is a superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
NM-MT 8: Near Mint-Mint.

A PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
NM 7: Near Mint.

A PSA NM 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back

5STAT

Southern, I think you missed my point...

"now, as for the previously stated opinion "I think the off centerness of the card is the reason it's in an SGC holder!!"......thats a bunch of junk. That statement implies that the card as an 88 would not hold up to a PSA 8 standard and that the owner must have, of course submitted it to SGC because it wouldnt get that high of a grade in a PSA slab. SGC, is not PRO or any of the other fly by night operations out there. There grading is every bit as good (and often better) than PSA."

I agree with you that it has PSA 8 potential....but with the diamond cut and centering is a candidate for a QUALIFIER....and that's why most people use both PSA and SGC...it "might" get a OC if graded at PSA...so why take the chance..just send it to SGC and let them take a couple points off...It's still a very appealing card...but it doesn't have a glaring OC staring at you...

You can get more for an SGC 88 than you can a PSA 8 OC......but it won't even compare if it's a SGC 88 vs. a PSA 8 straight up. PSA will command more $$ 90% of the time..
And THAT is the reason why I said if he thought it would be a solid 8 with N/Q....it would be in a PSA case...

kingraider75

although we all love PSA, it's not the only game in town. A lot of people use GAI, BGS and others ya know. Although I like the look of the PSA holders the most, and I do think it's the best company for vintage.

Fletch1750

The whole more money if its in PSA argument is total bunk. The most valuable set of cards ever was bought and sold in SGC holders 1914 CJ 800K. I think that theory is just silly.

wolfbear

Well it's nice to see that the 7 masquerading as an 8 didn't get any takers.
As a rule, people with $ 2,000 + to throw around per card didn't get into that position by being stupid.

Can't believe an astute collector like Fletch1750 didn't snatch up such an obvious bargain

Fletch1750

An obvious bargain? An accurately graded card at 2X SMR?

Fletch1750

By the way, what does that W O Z comment have to do with Dave Kingman?

Butcher

If you want to collect Chicles go ahead and close the smr now.

wolfbear

<< <i>By the way, what does that W O Z comment have to do with Dave Kingman? >>



Nothing.

It's just a fun quote that was in this movie :




and in this movie too :