from wax to cardsaver = min size req???

Onlypsahockey

About a month or so back I purchased a 77 OPC WHA wax box from Steve Hart and opened it "live" on the boards here. Some of you may recall. The box was pristine. Thank you BBCEX! I actually only opened half of it, then pulled out all the miscuts (66%) and cherry picked the remaining 33% for a 70's submission. Out of that 33% I felt 60 cards had a shot at the coveted PSA 8-9-10 range for my registry set. The grades popped today and 13 of the 60 cherry picked cards were not holdered for not meeting the minimum size requirements....................THIS BLOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the heck are we supposed to do if cards straight from an unopened wax box aren't up to PSA's standards? I'm pretty sure I may stop submitting myself and just buy what I need slabbed.

I just had to vent and share with the board. I'm pretty happy with the grades on the cards that were good enough for PSA. Especially the 9 on the Howe (Line 1).

Thanks, Bob C.

PSA Order Status for Submission # 580895


LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 12388586 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 1 GORDIE HOWE N/A 9
2 12388587 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 2 JEAN BERNIER N/A 9
3 12388588 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 3 ANDERS HEDBERG N/A 8
4 12388589 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 6 BLAINE STOUGHTON N/A 8
5 12388590 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 7 CLAUDE ST. SAUVEUR N/A 8
6 12388591 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 8 REAL CLOUTIER N/A 8
6 12388592 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 8 REAL CLOUTIER N/A 8
7 12388593 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 10 RON CHIPPERFIELD N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
7 12388594 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 10 RON CHIPPERFIELD N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
8 12388595 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 11 WAYNE RUTLEDGE N/A 8
9 12388596 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 12 MARK NAPIER N/A 8
10 12388597 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 13 RICH LEDUC N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
10 12388598 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 13 RICH LEDUC N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
10 12388599 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 13 RICH LEDUC N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
11 12388600 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 14 DON McLEOD N/A 8
11 12388601 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 14 DON McLEOD N/A 8
11 12388602 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 14 DON McLEOD N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
12 12388603 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 15 ULF NILSSON N/A 8
13 12388604 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 16 BLAIR MacDONALD N/A 8
14 12388605 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 17 MIKE ROGERS N/A 8ST
14 12388606 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 17 MIKE ROGERS N/A 8
15 12388607 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 18 GARY INNESS N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
16 12388608 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 20 MARC TARDIF N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
17 12388609 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 21 LARS-ERIK SJOBERG N/A 8
18 12388610 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 22 BRYAN CAMPBELL N/A 8
19 12388611 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 25 MARK HOWE N/A 8
19 12388612 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 25 MARK HOWE N/A 7
20 12388613 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 28 DAVE DRYDEN N/A 8
21 12388614 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 30 ANDRE LACROIX N/A 8
21 12388615 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 30 ANDRE LACROIX N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
22 12388616 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 31 PAUL HENDERSON N/A 8
23 12388617 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 32 PAULIN BORDELEAU N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
24 12388618 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 33 JUHA WIDING N/A 9
25 12388619 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 38 RICHARD BRODEUR N/A 8
26 12388620 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 40 AL HALMILTON N/A 7
27 12388621 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 41 JOHN McKENZIE N/A 8
27 12388622 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 41 JOHN McKENZIE N/A 8
28 12388623 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 43 CLAUDE LAROSE N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
28 12388624 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 43 CLAUDE LAROSE N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
29 12388625 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 45 GARY BROMLEY N/A 8
29 12388626 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 45 GARY BROMLEY N/A 8
30 12388627 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 46 KEN BAIRD N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
31 12388628 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 47 BOBBY SHEEHAN N/A 8
32 12388629 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 49 AL SMITH N/A 8
32 12388630 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 49 AL SMITH N/A 8
32 12388631 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 49 AL SMITH N/A 8
33 12388632 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 50 BOBBY HULL N/A 8
33 12388633 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 50 BOBBY HULL N/A 8
34 12388634 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 54 NORM DUBE N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
34 12388635 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 54 NORM DUBE N/A 8
35 12388636 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 55 TOM WEBSTER N/A 8
35 12388637 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 55 TOM WEBSTER N/A 8
36 12388638 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 58 CHECKLIST 1-66 N/A 8
36 12388639 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 58 CHECKLIST 1-66 N/A 6
36 12388640 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 58 CHECKLIST 1-66 N/A 8
37 12388641 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 59 PAUL SHMYR N/A 8
38 12388642 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 60 SERGE BERNIER N/A 6
39 12388643 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 61 FRANK MAHOVLICH N/A 8
40 12388644 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 64 LYLE MOFFAT N/A 8
41 12388645 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 65 MARTY HOWE N/A 8
42 12388646 1972 O-PEE-CHEE 170 DON AWREY N/A 8
43 12388647 1971 TOPPS 8 MIKE ROBITAILLE N/A 8
43 12388648 1971 TOPPS 8 MIKE ROBITAILLE N/A 7
43 12388649 1971 TOPPS 8 MIKE ROBITAILLE N/A 9
43 12388650 1971 TOPPS 8 MIKE ROBITAILLE N/A 8
43 12388651 1971 TOPPS 8 MIKE ROBITAILLE N/A 8
44 12388652 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 7
44 12388653 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 8
44 12388654 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 7
44 12388655 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 8
44 12388656 1971 TOPPS 12 ANDRE BOUDRIAS N/A 7
45 12388657 1971 TOPPS 23 EDDIE JOYAL N/A 8
45 12388658 1971 TOPPS 23 EDDIE JOYAL N/A 8
45 12388659 1971 TOPPS 23 EDDIE JOYAL N/A 8
45 12388660 1971 TOPPS 23 EDDIE JOYAL N/A 9
45 12388661 1971 TOPPS 23 EDDIE JOYAL N/A 9
46 12388662 1971 TOPPS 76 BOB BERRY N/A 8
46 12388663 1971 TOPPS 76 BOB BERRY N/A 8
46 12388664 1971 TOPPS 76 BOB BERRY N/A 8
46 12388665 1971 TOPPS 76 BOB BERRY N/A 8
46 12388666 1971 TOPPS 76 BOB BERRY N/A 7
47 12388667 1971 TOPPS 101 TED HAMPSON N/A 8
47 12388668 1971 TOPPS 101 TED HAMPSON N/A 8
47 12388669 1971 TOPPS 101 TED HAMPSON N/A 8
47 12388670 1971 TOPPS 101 TED HAMPSON N/A 8
47 12388671 1971 TOPPS 101 TED HAMPSON N/A 9
48 12388672 1971 TOPPS 121 ROSS LONSBERRY N/A 8
48 12388673 1971 TOPPS 121 ROSS LONSBERRY N/A 8
48 12388674 1971 TOPPS 121 ROSS LONSBERRY N/A 9
48 12388675 1971 TOPPS 121 ROSS LONSBERRY N/A 8
48 12388676 1971 TOPPS 121 ROSS LONSBERRY N/A 8
49 12388677 1971 TOPPS 129 WAYNE CASHMAN N/A 9
50 12388678 1971 TOPPS 118 JEAN PRONOVOST N/A 8
50 12388679 1971 TOPPS 118 JEAN PRONOVOST N/A 8
50 12388680 1971 TOPPS 118 JEAN PRONOVOST N/A 9
51 12388681 1971 TOPPS 62 WAYNE HILLMAN N/A 8
51 12388682 1971 TOPPS 62 WAYNE HILLMAN N/A 9
52 12388683 1972 TOPPS 23 TED HARRIS N/A 8
53 12388684 1972 TOPPS 26 SIMON NOLET N/A 8
54 12388685 1972 TOPPS 37 BRIAN GLENNIE N/A 7
55 12388686 1972 TOPPS 68 JIM LORENTZ N/A 8
56 12388687 1972 TOPPS 74 DOUG FAVELL N/A 8
57 12388688 1972 TOPPS 77 BILL MacMILLAN N/A 8
58 12388689 1972 TOPPS 81 GARY DOAK N/A 8
59 12388690 1972 TOPPS 129 PAT STAPLETON N/A 8
59 12388691 1972 TOPPS 129 PAT STAPLETON N/A 7
59 12388692 1972 TOPPS 129 PAT STAPLETON N/A 7
60 12388693 1972 TOPPS 136 BARCLAY PLAGER N/A 8
61 12388694 1972 TOPPS 145 RICK MARTIN N/A 8
62 12388695 1972 TOPPS 151 GARY EDWARDS N/A 7
63 12388696 1970 O-PEE-CHEE 222 JACQUES PLANTE N/A 8

Date Received: 10/24/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 11/08/2005
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

MorrellMan

I don't know anything about this particular issue, but I can share your frustration.
Isn't there quite a bit of tolerence on OPC sizing?
And what's a guy got to do to get a 10 around here? (Reminds me of the joke about the old guy giving directions on how to get to Carnegie Hall....practice, practice....)

softparade

Wow, you pulled MULTIPLE cards of players from ONE box that were gradeable? That is impressive, or the colation sucks

Anyway, I had this happen although not to this degree with 1978 Topps baseball in my first couple submissions. I am at the point where cards that are miscut short are spotted as I break packs. My last two subs have had none of these. I would suggest comparing the non holdered cards when you get them back for future reference? I know it is difficult if you are concentrating on other ventures. For me, I submit just one issue and one issue only so i feel like I have a grasp for these kind of problems with 1978 Topps baseball.

IJustLoveCards

I am just going to shake my head and say I just dont understand.

<<<< SENDS OUT DA BIG HURT PSA SIGNAL>>>>>>

Glynparson

Minimum size means the card was cut small from the factory not altered in the after market. so it does not matter where the cards came from if they are cut too small from the factory, PSa will not grade them.

Glynparson

PS. they give you vouchers for the cards that dont meet minimum size so you aren't out any money. plus you can get a ruler for $.25 so it might be worth the investment to prevent this in the future.

Griffins

I'll bet half of them grade fine the next time thru.

packCollector

I have seen this before on a couple 73 opcs from packs but not too many. you must have just got a box with a bad cut run. send them back , they will probably get graded unless they are really small

zef204

<< <i>Wow, you pulled MULTIPLE cards of players from ONE box that were gradeable? That is impressive, or the colation sucks >>

There are only 66 cards in the set.

sagard

<< <i>I'll bet half of them grade fine the next time thru. >>



I'd take that number to 75%-100% if they are submitted with some other years and card types.

shagrotn77

<< <i><< I'll bet half of them grade fine the next time thru. >>
I'd take that number to 75%-100% if they are submitted with some other years and card types. >>



My thoughts exactly. Send all the cards that didn't meet the size requirement in with no others, at least from that issue, and I bet they'll all grade. These are the types of games you have to play with PSA.

Stingray

Well I just hope that they are not reading this thread and waiting for that stack to come back to them.


Stingray

Onlypsahockey

Actually my thoughts are along these lines.... If PSA is sending back 25% of a 60 card cherry picked submission from wax for failure to meet minimum size requirements then maybe....just maybe they should review their size requirements for this set.

I have the remaining raw cards in a 250 ct plastic box. The cards are all very similar in height and width. Maybe the odd one or two standout but not 25%.

half a box =
24 packs x 13 cards per = 312 cards
60 were not miscuts 252 were
47/60 met size requirements 13/60 did not.

So from a box one would be lucky to pull 95 gradeable cards.
With 25 of them coming back too small for PSA.

This set could be the toughest set ever to build.

Thanks, Bob

jmbkb4

<< <i>I'll bet half of them grade fine the next time thru. >>


Exactly..........

jmbkb4

P.S. Some have suggested that the first number in a card's cert. # is a particular grader. I've found that 123/124 numbers of cards that I've submitted have been graded MUCH MUCH harder than the cards that have been slabbed 3.....

Just my thoughts.

DaBigHurt

Are you sure the boxes were not tampered with? PSA is ALWAYS on the ball when it comes to spotting trimmed cards. I would contact the seller and demand a refund.