Last mox emerald PSA 10 sold 699 USD !

Tromagic

I was wondering where was this last mox as i never saw it on ebay.
A guy sold it 699 USD he didn t even puted unlimited in title.
I was thinking this mox will sell arround 1100-1300 with a big fight to get it with all the unlimited PSA 10 collector ... and it sold for the price it sold 1 year ago with BIN.
Lol you can send him some chocolat with the payment Rudy !
Tromagic

Tromagic

Lol poeple contact me to buy the mox ... It not me that have it. It s Rudy that made this deal !
look the auction : http://cgi.ebay.com/Mox-Emerald-PSA-10_W0QQitemZ8720495136QQcategoryZ49194QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
The guy that bought it is alpha_investments
You can contact him through ebay but i don t think he will sell for less than 1000 USD :-)
tromagic

AlphaInvestments

One of my best deals in a while....

Funny thing is...im still on campus at University of North Florida...happen to be checking my e-mail in the finance department...

Right place..at the right time...


Ive already had 3 e-mail offers on this!!!!

This is the only Unlimted Card i own...i sold all my other Unlimited 10's to bastien and othes on ebay...but i couldnt believe the price...

-Rudy

tmmoose

I didn't realise there were that many lurkers on these boards.

tmmoose

<< <i>This is the only Unlimted Card i own...i sold all my other Unlimited 10's to bastien and othes on ebay...but i couldnt believe the price... >>



Given that you know that it's the only one 'available for sale' .. I guess you could put it up for again now and probably be assured of turning a reasonable profit in a matter of days. Well, not now now obviously, you'd need to actually get the card first.

Michael

Tap4black

So if you loved the $699 price, why haven't you bought the 2x Unlimited PSA 10 Pearls I have on my website for the same amount?????

I also have 2 Unlimited PSA 10 Sapphires that I think are very fairly priced at $899..

Len
Tap4Black

AlphaInvestments

Actually Len i was about to e-mail you on those cards...

for the record though...

PSA 10 Unlimited Pearl pop of 17
PSA 10 Unlimited Sapphire pop of 12
PSA 10 Unlimited Emerald pop of 3!!!!!!!!


maybe we can work out a price
on 1 saphhire and pearl


-Rudy

tmmoose

The other thing which surprised me, was the number of people monitoring these boards on a minute-by-minute basis.

*goes off to pretend he's doing something else*

Tap4black

Damn, I need to look over the population report more often Rudy. I did not realize the lack of Emeralds in Gem 10, wow!

Thanks,

Len
Tap4Black

Tromagic

Yes the price of a cards depend on 2 things :
rarity and power.
Since a mox emerald beta got the same power as a mox emerald unlimited, it s rarity than make the difference on the price.
In PSA 10 there is 3 unlimited and 5 Beta. But i think there will be 3-4 more mox unlimited emreald PSA 10 in the next 5 years so i think unlimited would sell same price as beta for this mox.
However 899 USD for a saphir is good price.
I think 700 USD for pearl is little high because there is lot of them avaible.
And i think emerald unlimited PSA 10 worth 1250-1500 USD.
I would pay 900 USD for it, even broke and having one already !
Tromagic

tmmoose

[qI would pay 900 USD for it, even broke and having one already ! >>



Just in case you want to buy the next one that comes up for sale ... I'll give you $500 for a kidney.

Osguard

I knew someone who actually donated plasma regularly to finance magic purchases...but it was only for boosters. It would take a kidney or the like to finance a P9...

Thulnanth

Hey Guys,

Actually, I wouldn't recommend breaking the bank for a Gem 10 Unlimited Emerald - there WILL be plenty more. It is just a quirk of grading/submissions that there are so many Pearls vs Emeralds right now. I would wager anyone that this will equilize in a few years or so, since there aren't any nagging problems with Unlimited Emeralds (like centering, for instance). If I had a 10 Emerald, I would gladly trade it even up for a Beta - I would definitely come out ahead long term

All that being said, short term scarcity being what it is - nice grab Rudy (psst... cash out, Alphas await you )

Take it easy,
Jared

Tromagic

i think some cards are more rare ... I can t say why but just look the shivan beta PSA 10 ... there is 4 time more of this one than the other ...
Same here i would rather have a PSA 10 beta than a unlimited but i would no pay it much more... Maby i would put 900 on unlim emerald and 1050 on the beta :-)
I am sure there won t be more than 10 unlim emerald PSA 10. There is 25% less mox emerald submited than the other but even if you count 25 % more of 3 ... you get 4 :-)
tromagic

Tromagic

By the way Jared if you beleve in what you said. Why don t you sell me you unlimited badland PSA 10 for 2/3 of the price of the beta :-)
Tromagic

AlphaInvestments

Ill probably relist it next week for around 999.00 buy it now

I already own a BETA Emerald 10 i dont need unlimited ones...

I already have a small fortune in these damn cards dont need to make it worse with another set...

If anyones gonna be interested let me know...otherwise youll see it on ebay

-Rudy

tmmoose

I thought some of the population statistics might also be related to the playability of the card.

For some reason, I have white down as a colour not as many people actually played back in the day, and hence I thought that's why Pearls probably got less abuse than other more popular colours. In my group of players we each used to collect one colour (it made trading easier until people had playsets!) and I'm pretty sure white was the last one to get picked. It could have just been limited to my group of friends though.

It does seem odd that there are less Emeralds - you could have though supply and demand that more Emeralds would have been graded to try to get more tens, but there have been about 50% more Pearls graded. There goes that theory.

Maybe in secret WoTC made Pearls an uncommon and didn't tell anyone.

Michael

Osguard

Michael - I agree with your observation. I think that playability that you talk about of the early cards had a direct impact on those that survived in gradeable condition. The white to green/pearl to emerald fits that. I don't think that was unique to your play group. The nastiest ones to find will be those that have your typical problems that Jared mentioned (bad centering, miscuts) and that were also good cards and played heavily.

Shivan Dragon, which Bastien mentioned, is an opposite example as a popular rare that has survived fairly well. To me, this one makes sense. It is a typically well-centered card. It has always been a very popular card, but not necessarily that playable being a high-mana card and very difficult to actually get out into a game in those days. And I think it is one of the first in those early sets that people actually viewed as "collectible" more than playable so they were set aside and are preserved.

I would put Force of Nature in this group as well as a card that people liked, but weren't able to necessarily work into decks. Though with green there were more mana options to actually use it than red with the Shivan.

-Tony

Thulnanth

Hey Guys,

Cards that were heavily played will be harder to find in Gem 10 no doubt, but I think that is less of a factor as you move away from Alpha. With only 1100 of each rare you can see a definite impact, but by the time you get to Unlimited with its 16000+ per rare the effect will be lessened. I feel (my opinion, mind you) that right now the Population Report is not very useful - too little of what is out there has been graded to get any sort of meaningful data. Over time, as more is graded, the report will be more useful. I would guess there are quite a bit more nice cards to grade out there... somewhere. I tend to use the 1/2 of 1% measure to guess the 10 potential of any card (eg: if a card had a printing of 1100 then there are around 6 or so Gem 10 candidates out there, for example). Thus Alpha rares are TOUGH, but Unlimiteds (given time) will surface - patients is the key. Of course, these are only guesses, and can be off due to factors like playability and print quality.

All this being said, from a purely economic standpoint I really should sell Bastien my Gem 10 Unlimited Badlands. Unfortunately, I am not in this for profit; I really LOVE the cards and want to collect them. In addition, I pulled that paticular jewel myself back in 1993/4, and on top of that I also have an irrational love of Duals Yeah, I really am insane, aren't I?

Take it easy,
Jared

Osguard

Hi Jared!

I agree with you about the population reports in the sense that the numbers are still so small as to draw any perfect conslusions. I don't think, however, that the current ratios as a sampling of the population can be completely discounted, either. Based on the current sampling, there are more Gem Mox Pearls than Emeralds. Yes, there are going to be more of each of them come out of the woodwork (probably?), but I don't see a strong reason to think that the ratios in the current sampling would change a great deal.

Many cards are still on a population of < 10, so there I agree with you more strongly that those aren't good samplings. But when you get up to 30 or so, I think they are getting to a pretty good sampling.

Question for you Jared and you unlimited guys, how frequently do you see that "roller error" on Unlimited cards that kill the gradings? Does it happen only with certain cards or is it across the whole set? What % do you think this affects the 16000 rares as a potential population? This is a problem that I haven't seen with Betas, but it certainly has to cut down on the available ULs.

-Tony

Thulnanth

Hey Tony,

The sampling issue is tricky because 1 person can throw it off greatly. Look at Beta Force of Natures' - for quite some time there were only 4 or so 10's and maybe 9 9's, but in ONE WEEK they went up almost double that; I would guess the result of a hoard (or perhaps a huge coincidence). Even look at your own submissions - how many 10's did you get that doubled the Pop's? Using just your collection as an example, there were several cards that you got multiple 10's of, while others you didn't even get 1 of. The problem with the "sampling" we have so far is that it isn't really random, but rather the result of a few individuals submitting what they had or could readily acquire. The results are interesting, but I'm not so sure they are truely reflective of what is POTENTIALLY out there.

Another example: When I submitted my Alpha Balance it graded a 10 and put the Pop at 1 9 and 4 10's, where they stayed for quite a while. More recently another dozen or so have been graded, adding 0 10's - a definite change in the ratio of 10's, to be sure. Which ratio is more representitive of long term pops? Who knows. My only contention is that until we have more data I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the Pop reports.

Wow, I think I put less thought into my college thesis

Take it easy,
Jared

Thulnanth

*&$#%* ROLLER ERROR!!!!

How often do I see it - ever time I go through my otherwise "Gem 10" Unlimiteds

Seriously, I have noticed it across the board, but never really paid attention to which particular cards were affected. I have seen it on a wide sampling of rares; less sure about comm/uncom, since I have more of them to pick though to find nice cards. If I can remember, I will try to make note of my affected cards the next time I go through my generic stockpile (AKA "playstock"). Since Bastien pointed out someone just bought a box, perhaps we could get them to note the ones they pull that are damaged? A great way to get an accurate sampling, eh Tony?

Take it easy,
Jared

Borst

I'm pretty new to collecting Unlimiteds, what is the roller error? Got a scan example of it? Thanks Borst

Thulnanth

Hey Borst,

Sorry, no - my scanner is broken and I spent all my money on cards, remember? "Roller Damage" is a generic term for a printing defect created when the card sheet is damaged by the rollers on the press during printing. It looks like a crease across the card (front or back) except the card isn't bent, but rather indented or "grooved". They vary from faint lines barely visible to big honkin' gouges across the card (like my Time Walk - doh). I have never seen it show up on a scan of any card I've bought off eBay, although many have had them . It seems to be a problem with the Unlimited printing only - I've never noticed it on any other cards.

If anyone has a good scan a post would be cool (Tony, you're the master scanner, right?). Otherwise, I just dug through one of my binders and found both a well-played Rightousness and Web with roller damage - PM me your address again and I'll shoot one off to you to check out, no charge

Take it easy,
Jared

Borst

I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about, a couple of the cards I bought raw I noticed on the backs there was a smallgroove on them like they had been scratched but it didn't take any paper off the card. Alomst like they put a piece of paper on top of the card and took a pencil and made a small line.

Something I'll have to watch out for if I ever send in any cards to get graded.

tmmoose

I have a Hypnotic Specter with some roller marks on it. I'll have a go at doing a picture over the weekend if another doesn't appear.

I would guess that there is a group of specific cards that are susceptible to these roller marks - if you think about the way the uncut sheets are probably moved around, there might be a long bar with little rollers on which picks up the sheets and moves them around during the production projectt. Depending on the spacing of the rollers you will probably find that all the cards in that column on the uncut sheets have roller marks in the same place to a greater or lesser degree. More rollers means more columns affected. The cards that would probably be affected would be the ones where the rollers had to apply pressure to get the necesary friction to pick up the cards - presumably at the top end of the sheet.

Also, not all cards of a particular might be affected if they appeared more than once on the sheet - you'd get a mixture then.

I could be talking utter rubbish - it wouldn't be the first time. I have a knack for rubbish.


edit: Got bored. Attached picture. In case you're wondering if my standars are slipping, that's the only Unlimited 9 I own.

Munchjs

So.... want to sell me that MOx Emerald PSA 10? I may want it by December....

AlphaInvestments

Mox Emerald PSA 10 is now on ebay....

AlphaInvestments

Unlimited Mox Emerald psa 10 Sold

-Rudy

Tromagic

How much ? you look happy :-)

Munchjs

And I am the one to buy it!!!!