4 "Sharp" corners

softparade

I have to admit that I have become totaly disenchanted with 4 sharp corners. The first problem I had with them was a searched through vending box that claimed only stars were pulled with the remaining NM-MT commons. That was total bull$hit as every card in the box was either off center or had big time print issues. Also, a few of the cards had WAX stains in this VENDING box. They sold this box of crap under the name of "New England Sportscards" which of course was a way of hiding the true seller as worthless garbage was unloaded. I chalked that one up as me being fooled, however, the two other times I dealt with them I received graded cards with outrageous damage to the cards in PSA 9 holders. Both 1978 Topps Junior Moore and Sam Hinds. Ok, so I e-mailed them and received the predictable "WE DON"T OFFER REFUNDS ON OUR GRADED CARDS" crap. These were LESS than $10 cards and this just really pissed me off. I will NEVER buy another item associated with this robotic, unpersonable, and unflexible seller and will be sure to steer my friends away from them also.

I know I will get some flak for this thread from 4SC apologists, but, let the buyer beware! THEY DON"T GIVE TWO $hits about their product.

Dealers like Steve Hart of the Baseball Card Exchange put these clowns to shame.

MorrellMan

There's definitely a shark mentality with some dealers, and they take advantage of ebay's format limitations. I won a high dollar PSA graded card that was no longer in the graded condition due to serious fading, probably from sun exposure. You guessed it: no returns on graded cards. I think it's fraudulent bull$hit - but we have no recourse. It won't be long till we'll need to consult contract lawyers before we bid on an item.

rbdjr1

1976 TOPPS THURMAN MUNSON YANKEES #650 PSA 9

1972 O-PEE-CHEE PHILLIS TEAM #397 PSA 9

1978 O-PEE-CHEE NOLAN RYAN, PHIL NIEKRO #6 PSA 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE ROLLIE FINGERS #52 PSA 9

1972 O-PEE-CHEE KEN SINGLETON #425 PSA 9

1978 O-PEE-CHEE TOM SEAVER #120 PSA 8

1978 O-PEE-CHEE MIKE SCHMIDT #225 PSA 9

I'm happy!

rbd

footballfan

I bought a PSA 10 card from 4 Sharp Corners that had obvious damage. When I notified them they had their standard no refunds on graded cards. They are not known for customer service. I could of passed the card on to someone else on Ebay but I don't believe in ripping people off.

brianwintersfan

Could you have not filed a claim with Paypal saying that the item you received was different then the one they were selling??
While I will admit that their customer service could be better I have not had any issues with them so far(knock on wood)

crpalmi

I bought a 1988 Fleer Basketball Wax Box from them under the name "New England Sportscards" as well and found all the key cards missing (no Jordan and no key rookies of Pippen, Stockton, or Miller). I knew I wasn't getting a refund for an opened wax box but they were less than apologetic and only stated that they can't guarantee the distribution of cards in unopened material. Never again!

Stingray

Football fan, what kind of damage do you mean? To the holder or the card itself. I so far have not had the issues that you guys have had, but I am not buying any higher priced items. I think they are getting slower on their shipping times lately. Softparade do you have scans you could share with us on the damaged cards.

Stingray

softparade

<< <i>Softparade do you have scans you could share with us on the damaged cards.

Stingray >>



I will scan the two cards later today!

jackstraw

Its hit or miss with them. I just got a McCovey RB from 78 and it was stunning! I don't really buy alot from them any more because its the same old cards week in and week out! The same goes for DSl and On the Hill. I used to buy alot from them but I have learned to look and avoid 99% of the time! Its hard to tell from a scan but it seems that most are cards that have been in plastic for a year that just doesn't selll so they keep relisting the same cards over and over!I can say that I really don't know how 4 SC makes alot of money doing what he does? After grading fees,listing fees,BIN fees,final value fees,Paypal fees and shiping costs their profit margin on a 5.00 card is what 10 cents if it goes the first time its listed?

rbdjr1

Won this today from 4SC:

1977 O-PEE-CHEE DOUG BIRD #191 PSA 10

$ 24.99 for a PSA 10? What the heck! Armed with the knowledge that there has been only 19 PSA 10s for the entire 1977 OPC series, compared with 757 PSA 10s for the 1977 Topps series; ...at that price? Plus I've bought dozens of '70s OPC PSA 9s from 4SC at "five bucks a rap, with the majority being 1/1s, and seemingly pretty scarce.

Plus, I've purchased and won cards from 4SC for years, and found his items to be as consistent as any other PSA material I've purchased or won from others.

I've questioned some of his PSA items, but I've also equally questioned PSA material from other sellers also.


I'm not downplaying any "bad wax deals" anyone has had from 4SC. Gee I bought a '70s OPC wax box from BBCE and it was nothing but "qualifier cr@p" inside. I'd bet it was "cracked" from a full case at BBCE, and "one could bet" that the "print run" should be the same for all the boxes. In other words, probally all the boxes were a "waste of money".

I didn't confront BBCE, as the box and all the wax packs were perfect and original, and if these packs were graded by GAI, I'm sure they would haved graded 8s, 8.5s, 9s & 9.5s. But unless I bought the "first wax box" from a case (or if this box was just a "one and only"), one would guess that BBCE might have known what to expect when "I cracked those wax packs".

After opening the first 15 or so packs, and saw the "off-centered" garbage that was in those packs, so I then decided to put the remaining packs from that box "up for auction" on ebay. I "justified it in my mind", because the packs looked great, and were "all original". I even discussed it on this thread. I decided to "pull all the auctions" as I knew "what the score" would be if one opened the packs. I "cracked the remaining packs". Yep all the same as the first 15 or so packs, QUALIFER JUNK! I was $285 poorer, but I slept well that evening.

Can I fault a company like BBCE or 4SC for selling off wax boxes?

Could you find fault in me if I completed those "wax pack auctions" instead of pulling them, like I did?

Is there a right answer?

Yeah, I had fun, right down to that last pack! LOL!

I don't know, if I had a case of vintage OPCs, and I sold some boxes from the case, only to hear "rave reviews" of all the great gems that were "coming-out of those packs", I wonder if i would stop selling those boxes and start "cracking and start submitting" the raw material to PSA myself?

rbd

P.S. I know most dealers work on very close margins in buying and selling wax cases, so selling-off boxes of an opened case, knowing what the results could be when 'cracking packs' (good or bad?), I guess goes with the territory!

edit: I didn't read the original post very carefully, and now noticed that he was "talking about a vending box" not wax! Sorry!

footballfan

Stingray the card had obvious wear the holder was not damaged.

brianwintersfan

Just me or does that upper right corner on the Doug Bird look weird??

phreakydancin

<< <i>Just me or does that upper right corner on the Doug Bird look weird?? >>

It does, but I think it is the scan and/or the fact that the card is pushed against the right side of the slab.

ctsoxfan

<< <i>I bought a 1988 Fleer Basketball Wax Box from them under the name "New England Sportscards" as well and found all the key cards missing (no Jordan and no key rookies of Pippen, Stockton, or Miller). I knew I wasn't getting a refund for an opened wax box but they were less than apologetic and only stated that they can't guarantee the distribution of cards in unopened material. Never again! >>



This is a story worth repeating - and it really surprises me a bit. It is fairly easy to figure out a pattern on Fleer basketball wax from 86 to 88 - by that I mean, you know which packs contain Jordans pretty easily based on the card you can see through the back of the pack (there are other ways also). If they sold a box (probably for at least $400) after searching it in this way, I would be very disappointed.

Stingray

Won a card from them recently, sent payment, they marked it as received on 10-31-05. Sent them an email today to see if card was shipped. Response: card will be mailed out Monday 11-07-05, 7-days after receivng payment. Does this seem too long?

Stingray

ctsoxfan

<< <i>Won a card from them recently, sent payment, they marked it as received on 10-31-05. Sent them an email today to see if card was shipped. Response: card will be mailed out Monday 11-07-05, 7-days after receivng payment. Does this seem too long?

Stingray >>



Not if you paid by check. A lot of sellers wait 7 days or so for personal checks to clear.

pandrews

<< <i>Won a card from them recently, sent payment, they marked it as received on 10-31-05. Sent them an email today to see if card was shipped. Response: card will be mailed out Monday 11-07-05, 7-days after receivng payment. Does this seem too long?

Stingray >>



no, i try to mail 2-3x per week, but sometimes i'm only able to mail once a week..

tkd7

<< <i>

<< <i>Won a card from them recently, sent payment, they marked it as received on 10-31-05. Sent them an email today to see if card was shipped. Response: card will be mailed out Monday 11-07-05, 7-days after receivng payment. Does this seem too long?

Stingray >>



no, i try to mail 2-3x per week, but sometimes i'm only able to mail once a week.. >>



My thoughts are that if a seller asks for payment within 3 days, then he should get the item in the mail in 3 days after they receive payment. 4SC asks for payment in 10 days, so I don't think a week is unreasonible.

FYS

<< <i>I bought a PSA 10 card from 4 Sharp Corners that had obvious damage. When I notified them they had their standard no refunds on graded cards. They are not known for customer service. I could of passed the card on to someone else on Ebay but I don't believe in ripping people off. >>



It is funny how 4SC gets a bad rap for all of their garbage 9's and 10's. We all know that PSA cards can not even get damaged in a paint shaker. With that in mind, isn't it safe to assume that PSA did a poor job grading and they should take all the burden! Someone mentioned a fading issue, that is a bit different. Otherwise, call Joe Orlando, don't call out 4SC. 4SC would go out of business pretty quickly if they did not have a no return on graded card policy. It does not matter, this burden should fall on the 3rd party grading company. Cracked or scratched slab returns however should still be honored by 4SC.

GOODLIEU

I read through this thread and as FYS wrote I to feel that if the item is undamaged by external means(as in Morrelman's sun damaged card) that its grading issues should be directed to the party that reviewed and slabbed the item and not the EBAY seller. I say this as a buyer of graded items myself and the fact that I have used this seller and a few of the high volume sellers mentioned. In my opinion the grader must start taking responsibility for their work and give their customers the value they expect when bidding on these high grade pieces. If not then why bother even having them graded in the first place.

softparade

<< <i>

It is funny how 4SC gets a bad rap for all of their garbage 9's and 10's. We all know that PSA cards can not even get damaged in a paint shaker. With that in mind, isn't it safe to assume that PSA did a poor job grading and they should take all the burden! Someone mentioned a fading issue, that is a bit different. Otherwise, call Joe Orlando, don't call out 4SC. 4SC would go out of business pretty quickly if they did not have a no return on graded card policy. It does not matter, this burden should fall on the 3rd party grading company. Cracked or scratched slab returns however should still be honored by 4SC. >>



Its not just graded cards with them. I am sure that there are more than just a few who got burned by them buying boxes of suppose NM-MT commons from their "new england sportscards" name. Bottom line is that their customer service sucks. Just to name one seller Steve Hart (baseball card exchange) in my experience goes to great length to satisfy the unhappy customer no matter what the product is. Ever notice how confident buyer are involving his auctions on e-bay? There is a reason he does VERY well on all of his auctions .... GREAT customer service.