Turkey and Hejaz dates

goossen

This is a 10 Para coin from Turkey, KM #760
I can read the AH 1327 but Krause says there are AH1327//2 to AH1327//7. How can I know from which year is my coin?



And this is a countemarked one, 20 Para from Turkey, for use in Hejaz. I have the same issue with this one...

tbirde56

It looks like regnal year 5 on both of them (below the toughra).

NJMark1

Those two are Muhammad V. Ascended 1327AH or 1909 to 1919. The arabic number under the toughra in this case a 5 looks like our 0. 1327/5 means the coin was minted in the 5th year of Muhammad's reign or 1914. The Hejaz coin is listed under Saudi Arabia along with 10,40 Para
and 5 and 20 Piastres along with a Maria Theresa thaler.

Mark

Thanks Brad Mother Teresa Geeze what was I thinkin of?

tbirde56

That would be a Maria Theresa thaler, Mark.

goossen

What you mean with "the toughra" ?

tbirde56

The swirly design. This is an ornate design individual to each sultan and consists of the title khan, the sultan's name, the Arabic word bin ("son [of]"), the sultan's father's name, and the title muzaffir da'ima ("the always victorious"). The mix of languages shows the eclectic nature of the Ottomans and their empire: khan was originally a Mongol title meaning, approximately, "ruler," and the latter title is Arabic.

The toughra is supposed to have originated with Sultan Murad I who, when signing the Treaty of Ragusa (now Dubrovnik, Croatia) in 1365, dipped his fingers into an inkwell and scrawled a signature. This design developed into a standardized form having three vertical lines and a swirl of calligraphy ending in a flourish to the left. As they are written in Arabic script toughras are read from lower right to upper left. Although toughras of many of the sultans look alike at first glance, patience and a good magnifying glass or jeweler's loop can sometimes be used to untangle them.

A smaller calligraphic device is sometimes found above and to the right of the toughra. This consists of an additional title or attribute (the Turkish term is ünvan, from the Arabic word 'unwaan, meaning "address" or "title), which is unique to each sultan, although not every sultan had one. The ünvan can be quite useful for sorting out the six Mehmets, five Murads, four Mustafas, etc.