Greatest defensive play (post season)
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May's catch in 54?
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I know, how dare I support a NY Yankee, but hey, this was a great post season play!
Notice I said "a" great play, not the GREATEST!
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Sparky Anderson, clearly not a Red Sox fan, and clearly a guy that's seen a lot of baseball, called it the greatest catch he's ever seen. I'll take his word.
<< <i>Dwight Evans 1975 WS game 6.
Sparky Anderson, clearly not a Red Sox fan, and clearly a guy that's seen a lot of baseball, called it the greatest catch he's ever seen. I'll take his word. >>
Of course you will. It involves the Red Sox. You know, like Trot Nixon's epic shot in the 2003 post season. Please, Sparky Anderson IS A PART of baseball and anything he says should not be highlighted by the fact that he "is clearly not a Red Sox fan". Your bias runs deeper than any Yankee fan
You stated in another thread that Yaz, and David Ortiz were the most clutch hitters you have seen in the game. Again, Red Sox! How about Trot Nixons epic shot in the 2003 post season? Actually, your list was FULL of Red SOx recent HR's back to Henderson in 1986. Again, Red Sox.... Yaz, all I can remember about any post season heroics by him was popping up to Graig Nettles to bow out of the one game playoff in Fenway.
I may bleed Yankee pinstripes, but I am not blinded in such a way that ALL I REMEMBER is Yankees Yankees Yankees. It took just one World Series and 3 Super Bowl championships by the Patriots for you to become the dreaded " Yankee fan"
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Sparky Anderson claimed Evans' catch was the greatest ever. ESPN, on their silly list of greatest defensive plays ever had it somewhere in the top 6-7 I think. In my opinion, having seen it repeated since, yes, I am a Red Sox fan, I think it's the greatest ever. Where's the bias?
Softie, you've got to realize, please, the Red Sox are a great organization, and have been for about 100 years. The fact that many of my responses to "who is the greatest ..." involve the Red Sox are because the Red Sox have had many of the greatest ... in history, be it defensive plays, clutch hitters, etc. Of course, my exposure and intimate knowledge with the Sox makes me more prone to think of specific examples I've personally witnessed, specific players or moments in their history to answer a question. But it's not like we're talking KC Royals here.
If you polled 1000 sports writers in America as to who the most clutch hitters of all time are, David Ortiz and Yaz would absolutely, undoubtedly, you're-completely-wrong-and-silly-if-you-don't-understand, be in the top 5, maybe top 7-8 if you want to stretch it. Sure, maybe someone else is #1, or maybe someone else is #1, 2, and 3. But for you to try to completely discount them solely on the basis of my supposed bias is ridiculous.
And c'mon.
Yaz, all I can remember about any post season heroics by him was popping up to Graig Nettles to bow out of the one game playoff in Fenway
Sure, well, you want facts, as anyone knows, Yaz made the last out to end the 1967 WS game 7 AND 1975 WS game 7 AND 1978 playoff against the Yankees. So what's your point? He also singlehandedly won the pennant in 1967, most of which occured in dramatic, clutch fashion. And often repeated similar heroics throughout his career. So much that people who watched his whole career considered him unbelievably clutch.
Instead of trying to bash my choices with the illogical "you're biased, you're wrong" reasoning, how about, for once, you answer the question of the thread and discuss some ideas of your own.
Trot Nixon came to the plate in a tie game, extra innings, with his team trailing 0-2 in a best of 5 series. Pinch hitting, and physically ailing. And he hit a HR to win the game. The question of the thread was most clutch HR. To me, that was one of the most clutch HRs ever. Again, feel free to dismiss it on the basis of my bias. God forbid you actually offer up a more dramatic one in its place.
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you've got to realize, please, the Red Sox are a great organization, and have been for about 100 years. The fact that many of my responses to "who is the greatest ..." involve the Red Sox are because the Red Sox have had many of the greatest ... in history, be it defensive plays, clutch hitters, etc. Of course, my exposure and intimate knowledge with the Sox makes me more prone to think of specific examples I've personally witnessed, specific players or moments in their history to answer a question.
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Regarding the Evans play ..... I was saying that Sparky believed that play to be the best he has ever seen has NOTHING to do with him being "clearly not a Red Sox fan" as you put it. Sparky IS baseball and his thoughts are not clouded with any loyalties to a ball club.
As far as the rest of your last post that I quoted, peace!
You are 100% correct, the Red SOx are a great organization and baseball needs them just as much as any other franchise.
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I am happy to make peace on this one. It's not bias, it's what I know best, and I'm glad you see that's where I'm coming from, even if I sometimes slip in some admitted bias for the sake of getting a discussion flowing (which is not the case for Yaz and Ortiz, but you may be right about Nixon's HR)
In the end, the best baseball discussions have to include people who know what they're talking about and who speak about what they know. Otherwise they're boring stats discussions, with people spouting off about what they don't really know, just because they read a bunch of numbres. Sure, a lot of the ribbing is necessary and fun, but, for instance, an argument about Williams/DiMaggio between a true Red Sox and Yankee fan, each of which really knows their guy, is as good as it gets. Both are absolutely right, both know the other is absolutely wrong, and in the end, no one agrees on anything. That's a great baseball discussion. Everyone has such a large history of what they know about to bring to the table - I've probably attended close to 1000 Red Sox games in person, and watched 3x times that on TV. You, sadly, are a Yankee fan. But I'll admit, there wouldn't be much interesting debate if your type didn't exist here either...
Although comparing Jeter's little flip to get out Giambi in the ALDS (who would've been safe had he slid), to Evans' catch and DP in do or die game 6 of the WS is a stretch... Even for a Yankee fan...
<< <i>I may bleed Yankee pinstripes, but I am not blinded in such a way that ALL I REMEMBER is Yankees Yankees Yankees >>
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softie (a well suited name, I am sure) is calling someone out for BIAS? When EVERYTHING that comes out of his mouth on this board is 'yankee yankee yankee!'? haha
thanks for the laugh!
Calling Brosius a clutch hitter...that Jeter is the most clutch hitter...Jeter's play at home against Oakland in the 'greatest defensive play' thread...ALL YANKEES ALL THE TIME!
You'd think you had a contract with the YES network, the way you spew that crap 24/7...and this has NOTHING to do with my despising the yanks. This has to do with you calling out dgb for putting a red sox play at the top of his list, when you do EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
Look softie (snicker) you think if you yell out your yankee fandom enough, people will think you've been a long time fan.
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Although comparing Jeter's little flip to get out Giambi in the ALDS (who would've been safe had he slid), to Evans' catch and DP in do or die game 6 of the WS is a stretch... Even for a Yankee fan... >>
Jeters little flip is what won that series against the A's in the end. I am not comparing it with any other play, just stating that it was amazing.
PEACE DG!
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<< <i>Hey ax, if there is one thing I have noticed about DG through our battles is that he IS IN FACT a Red Sox fan. Not an idiot with a agenda like yourself. $uck off .....
I have no agenda, and my team is OBVIOUS (unless you are so blinded by your love of all things NY or hatred for all things outside NY you can't see it).
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<< <i>Hey ax, if there is one thing I have noticed about DG through our battles is that he IS IN FACT a Red Sox fan. Not an idiot with a agenda like yourself. $uck off .....
I have no agenda, and my team is OBVIOUS (unless you are so blinded by your love of all things NY or hatred for all things outside NY you can't see it). >>
you have no agenda..... yeah right, and the world is $ucking flat. idiot
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<< <i>Hey ax, if there is one thing I have noticed about DG through our battles is that he IS IN FACT a Red Sox fan. Not an idiot with a agenda like yourself. $uck off .....
I have no agenda, and my team is OBVIOUS (unless you are so blinded by your love of all things NY or hatred for all things outside NY you can't see it). >>
you have no agenda..... yeah right, and the world is $ucking flat. idiot >>
And you don't have a 'YANKEES ARE GODS!' agenda?
Please...get off the stage and quit with the 'clever' use of the F word.
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And you don't have a 'YANKEES ARE GODS!' agenda?
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Nope, I don't. You find ONE post I have ever made that would even HINT at that. Go ahead ....... won't happen. Get off ofyour soap box boy, you don't know anyhting about the sport.
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And you don't have a 'YANKEES ARE GODS!' agenda?
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Nope, I don't. You find ONE post I have ever made that would even HINT at that. Go ahead ....... won't happen. Get off ofyour soap box boy, you don't know anyhting about the sport. >>
There you go again 'you don't know about baseball!' argument that a loser in a sports debate invariably brings out.
You, sir, are the one who knows nothing about the sport.
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There you go again 'you don't know about baseball!' argument that a loser in a sports debate invariably brings out.
You, sir, are the one who knows nothing about the sport. >>
you are hitting rock bottom slugger .....
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Wow your insight is greatly appreciated...hell, you make spammy look like a genius.
Axtell why are you always ALWAYS the common denominator?
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Robert
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Yes I'm biased. The other catch that always looked amazing on the old film was this.
Of course this is just demonstrating my other bias.
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<< <i>Sagard didn't Puckett then hit a HR in that same game to win it?
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Yes he did hit the winner in the 11th.