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perkdog · October 20, 2005 6:51AM

Been away quite awhile, but wondering if anybody has recently attempted crossover's from Global to PSA and how they made out.

Thanks

mikeschmidt · October 20, 2005 7:36AM

don't even think about it unless you are actually cracking the card....

marz · October 20, 2005 4:41PM

absolutely correct on that!

Hey, I just raised your user rating!

ejguru · October 20, 2005 9:43PM

Sadly, I agree and learned the hardway. Sent in 3 GAI 9's and a 9.5 Gem Mint hoping for straight crossovers--none made it. Had the grader (or someone) put those yellow stickies on it showing me why it didn't cross, and I am no closer to understanding why. They might as well have placed the arrow next to the GAI symbol.

perkdog · October 20, 2005 11:23PM

Well my question seems answered to me, thanks for the input.

Dare I ask.....how about SGC?

bosko56 · October 21, 2005 2:02AM

I just crossed 2 61 Topps Baseball 88's to PSA 8's no problem. You just have to look them over real good before you send them. I've been lucky, I'm 6 for 6 so far, even had 1 upgrade. Good luck.

Stan/bosko56

smallstocks · October 21, 2005 2:32AM

FWIW, I recently cracked a GAI 8 and submitted to PSA and it came back PSA 8.

Nascar360 · October 21, 2005 3:14AM

I crossed over 6 out of the 7 SGC's I had for 1988 Maxx Racing. They were all SGC 98's and 6 came back PSA 10's.

mikeschmidt · October 21, 2005 3:26AM

I think, in general, crossing from a Big 3 company to another has a lot of risks. There is an ineherent psychological bias against the other company's holders. Yes - I've had many successful crosses from within the holder - but not enough that I would reccomend it. Especially with evidence that cracking and resubmitting leads to greater likelihood of success.

Also - fwiw - the GEM MINT grade is pretty tough. The differences between MINT and GEM MINT are de minimus on the vast majority of issues, besides for obvious things like centering and perhaps a print dot. Thus - I would almost never, ever suggest cracking a valuable GEM MINT card in the hopes of getting the other company to give it a 10. And GEM MINT cards often don't cross well - all a grader has to do is find one flaw, no matter how minute, and say "Aha - we would only call that MINT. We are such a superior company"

~ms

perkdog · October 21, 2005 11:08PM

Thanks for more input, the card I am thinking of crossing is a Global 8, I have options here, 1-crack it, 2-Just enjoy the card. I would like to get back into the set registry so option # 2 is unlikey, I thought of sending it to SCG for a crossover THEN attempting to cross to PSA...But SCG will not crossover a card valued at MORE than $500.00 so that is out as well.

Well I quess the safest bet is to start cracking...........

Mantlefan · October 22, 2005 1:49AM

Today, I actually crossed over a GAI 9 1957 Tommy Byrne to a PSA 9....I was shocked!

nicovu · October 22, 2005 2:24AM

I'd love some advice: I have two mid 50s cards graded by GAI: one is an 8.5 star card and the other is a common card graded 9. I'd like to cross them over but am worried about cracking them open and losing at the minimum, the grades of 8 for the 8.5 and the 9. I'd take an 8 for the 8.5 star because I paid just about the SMR for a PSA 8 for the card. A 9 on that card would make me thousands of dollars. As for the common, I'd love a 9 crossover; an 8 would cost me a few hundred bucks. I'm going to look them over carefully through the plastic, but is there really a strong bias against GAI? I've crossed over a common mid 50s SGC card with no problem and the one time I've tried to cross over a star card from GAI it was rejected. Thoughts, ideas?

smallstocks · October 22, 2005 2:44AM

The 8.5 is a no-brainer. The 9 will be real tough. PSA doesn't give out many in vintage.

RipublicaninMass · October 22, 2005 2:49AM

<< <i>The 8.5 is a no-brainer. The 9 will be real tough. PSA doesn't give out many in vintage. >>

at least not to "regular" people.....

nicovu · October 23, 2005 2:11AM

bttt

Kurtman9 · October 23, 2005 1:46PM

I know how to crack the SGC or PSA holder. However, the GAI holder is different, kind of similar to the BVG holder. Can someone please give some tips on how to crack a GAI holder? I have a 62 F Robby #350 (centered) in a GAI 8 that I probably will crack and send to PSA since apparently most think that is wiser than crossover. Thanks.

Kurt

perkdog · October 24, 2005 7:48AM

Actually it would be very helpful if someone could let me know how to crack the SCG and PSA holder as well as the Global holder, I am ready to crack my 7.5 grade SCG and am VERY nervous LOL

Thanks

Kurtman9 · October 24, 2005 9:43PM

This will help you on the PSA and SGC slabs.

How to open a graded card slab

Still need some advice on the GAI slabs though...

smallstocks · October 25, 2005 12:54AM

GAI - get a screwdriver in the crease at the top. Tap it with a hammer. Once it gets inside, carefully and slowly twist it til the top pops off. I learned the hard way after destroying a GAI 8 on a 1955 Topps card.

perkdog · October 25, 2005 8:07AM

Thanks for that link, very helpful.

Im going to the Boston show in two weeks and at this point Im just going to wait until the show and buy a few $5 cards in holders and practice on them first before I venture into my "good cards"

sloanjr · October 25, 2005 9:27AM

i was wondering about everyone's opinion. i won a 68 gaylord perry in sgc 98 and was wondering should i send it in as a crossover or would it be better to crack it out? also i have tried using a dremel by cutting off a corner farthest from the card then prying apart with a screwdriver with a cloth over the slab.

perkdog · October 26, 2005 4:05AM

I assume that it is a "9" grade. I would attempt a crossover first as there is no gaurantee that it would grade out as a 9 if submitted raw after cracking it open. That being said why gamble like that?

If the crossover fails I would even submit it again a few weeks later and maybe it would cross then. Im not sure if PSA puts the serial # in a database so they wont contradict themselves though. Im sure some of the boardmembers would be able to answer that.

Whatever you do, Good Luck !

perkdog · October 28, 2005 6:33AM

Well I just sent out a SGC 7.5 grade to PSA attempting a crossover, I hope it crosses OK.

frolico · October 29, 2005 9:42AM

Has anyone ever had an sgc come back 1 or 2 grades higher at PSA? I've only had same grade crossovers on a third of my submissions.

perkdog · October 29, 2005 11:45AM

Hey I hope I can tell you that when my submission comes back.

About a week ago I spoke with a dealer (mainly a SGC) who told me that a lot of cards would get turned away from SGC that were in PSA holders because SGC is more strict.......I did not believe him simply for the fact that he has a ton of SGC cards from a set that I am attempting to make a run at and I am offering him business based on how my attempt to cross my SGC 7.5 into PSA works out. (I would accept a minimum 7 NQ but hoping for a long shot 8)

Im not going to throw the dealers name out there because he did give me a good deal and was quit pleasant to do business with.

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