Greatest clutch home run of all time?
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Pujols got me thinking.
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You mean Dave "Hindu" ?
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Any relation to Dave?
Yes, exactly the same HR. Down 3-1, on the road, 2 outs in the 9th. Big difference, of course, is the real (very overlooked) blow was Don Baylor's 2 run HR earlier in the inning to pull within a run. And of course, Hendu only took the lead for 1/2 inning, as the Angels tied it, then Henderson won it in xtras with a sac fly. Then Donnie Moore blew his brains out.
But, limiting the conversation to greatest clutch post season HR, my list (obviously exposing my Red Sox bias) in order would be:
Gibson v Eck - even though it was game 1, set the stage for the whole series and the drama of the situation can't be beat. Still brings chills to see the replay.
Ortiz v Yankees, Game 4 ALCS - speaks for itself. The greatest moment in Red Sox history.
Pujols/Henderson - literally from the brink of elimination, on the road, a dagger to the home crowd. Hopefully the Cardinals copy the Sox and take both at home to win the series.
Bernie Carbo, 75 - Sox down 3-2 in games, 6-3 in game 6 heading into the 8th, Carbo launches pinch hit 3 run HR to tie the game. Completely overshadowed by Fisk in xtras. Without Carbo, the series ends that night and Fisk is just another very good catcher.
Bobby Thompson - Giants win the pennant. If he doesn't hit it, the Giants don't win the pennant. Maybe.
Trot Nixon, Game 3 ALDS 2003 - with Sox trailing 0-2, a pinch hit 2 run HR in the bottom of 11th to win the game. Sox win the next two and the series.
I think clutch (with the exception of Gibson) can only truly be defined when a team is on the brink of elimination. Mazeroski or Joe Carter or any of the Yankee HR off Kim in 2001... while incredibly intense and tense events for the fans, were missing that one element of do-or-die. Pujols hits the HR, or the Cardinals go home. End of story. The first two on my list, while not directly saving elimination, were so significant in forming what happened afterwards that they can't be ignored.
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And apprently you regressed once more to Brosius. HR in game 3 to give his team a 3-0 series lead? Yeah, right up there. Time to start setting up the Brosius wing in the HOF.
CLUTCH. Define it, then try to explain how either of these HR even come close.
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Wow. I always knew Yankees were special, but never knew they had the ability to hit 6 run HRs.
Anyways, give it a break. You'll have a tough time justifying a game 3 HR of a 7 game series to this list. If you're too dense to see that, I don't know what else I can say...
<< <i>Leyritz tied a game they were down 6-0 AND 2 games to 1 in the Series joey historian.
Wow. I always knew Yankees were special, but never knew they had the ability to hit 6 run HRs.
Anyways, give it a break. You'll have a tough time justifying a game 3 HR of a 7 game series to this list. If you're too dense to see that, I don't know what else I can say... >>
To dismiss that Leyritz HR and its importance just shows how much you don't know outside of Fenway. Do what you said and go to bed.
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What about Joe Carter or Kirk Gibson's ?
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There are many other memorable ones, but that is the best for me personally.
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<< <i>No Parade, you got ripped for being stupid and mentioning fairly non-dramatic HRs just for the sake of mentioning Yankees, since the only dramatic HRs in the Bronx usually involve Yankee pitchers.... >>
Dramatic HR's in the Bronx usually involve Yankee pitchers
Leyritz homerun was EXTREMELEY dramatic, you don't know what you are talking about. That 3 run shot capped a comeback from a 6-0 deficit against the Braves vaunted pitching staff and tied the serie at 2-2 instead of being down 3-1. But of course, no use trying to get a delusional Sox fan like yourself to realize anything good about the Yankees.
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Well that's great. And I'm sure it's aired repeatedly as a "Great Moment in Yankee History" on the YES network.
However this discussion is about clutch HRs. Clutch. You know, like A-Rod.
Now clam up and let the adults talk.
<< <i>Leyritz homerun was EXTREMELEY dramatic
Well that's great.
However this discussion is about clutch HRs. Clutch. . >>
Please Mr. baseball man, explain to me how that homerun WAS NOT clutch?
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<< <i>Like, dude, if you don't know the difference, I certainly ain't gonna tell you. >>
Like, far out man!
There is no way you can explain the Leyritz homerun which sent Mark Wohlers into a carreer ending tailspin in any other way than clutch. Thanks for not even trying.
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<< <i>Without a doubt Mazeroski's walkoff HR in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series. >>
I have to go with Dude on this one. Hell that got the guy into the HOF!
<< <i>Without a doubt Mazeroski's walkoff HR in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series. >>
yep, cream of the crop.
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Maz's homer was clutch, but the score was tied and there were not two outs. Fisk's homer was clutch, but again the score was tied and they lost the Series anyway. Thomson's homer came with only one out. I believe Dick Sisler had a 10th inning homer in 1950 to win the pennant for the Phillies, but I dont think they were down to their last out.
Gibby's homer was clutch and do or die for the game, but it was only Game One.
Im having a tough time coming up with a more clutch do or die homer than Pujols with two outs in the last inning where if you make an out you lose and your season is over.
Tough question.
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Gibson v Eck - even though it was game 1, set the stage for the whole series and the drama of the situation can't be beat. Still brings chills to see the replay.
Ortiz v Yankees, Game 4 ALCS - speaks for itself. The greatest moment in Red Sox history.
Pujols/Henderson - literally from the brink of elimination, on the road, a dagger to the home crowd. Hopefully the Cardinals copy the Sox and take both at home to win the series.
Bernie Carbo, 75 - Sox down 3-2 in games, 6-3 in game 6 heading into the 8th, Carbo launches pinch hit 3 run HR to tie the game. Completely overshadowed by Fisk in xtras. Without Carbo, the series ends that night and Fisk is just another very good catcher.
Bobby Thompson - Giants win the pennant. If he doesn't hit it, the Giants don't win the pennant. Maybe.
Trot Nixon, Game 3 ALDS 2003 - with Sox trailing 0-2, a pinch hit 2 run HR in the bottom of 11th to win the game. Sox win the next two and the series.
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dg, no Bucky Dent? I understand your bias but .......... get real
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<< <i>Dent is a pretty tough sell. Garners far more attention and credit than it deserves because of the Red Sox/Yankees mystique. Lest you forget it was a 3 run HR in the SEVENTH inning to take a 3-2 lead, which didn't even turn out to be the winning run. Even the slowest Yankee fan can acknowledge that Reggie's HR in the 8th was the difference maker (literally), and that regardless, neither was very clutch or even dramatic for that matter. Neither come close to cracking any of my 6 (counting Hendu and Pujols as one). >>
Dents Home run which was the catalyst to a World Championship blows to SPLINTERS the following HR's from your list.
1. Bernie Carbo 1975. Where did the Red Sox finish? Nice HR for the franchise, but hardly an all timer
2. Trot Nixon 2003. Are you that delusional?????
3. Pujols 2005. We shall see
4. Henderson 1986. Where did the Red Sox finish? Nice HR for the franchise but hardly an all timer
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Pujols 2005. We shall see
We shall see what?
Are you saying the "clutch-ness" of a HR actually depends on what happens in subsequent games? Or the subsequent series for that matter? What if the Cardinals win the LCS, but lose in the WS, will you then dismiss Pujols' heroics? From the reasons you've dismissed my others, clearly you believe that. Pujols, like Henderson before him, hit a 2 out HR on the road to win a LCS game, which if he hadn't, his team would've lost the game and the series. One at bat, he makes an out, the season is over for him and his team. Everything, done. One pitch, the most important one of the season for him and the team. He doesn't walk. He doesn't single. And he certainly doesn't get out. He hits a HR. On the road. Down 3 games to 1. 9th inning. Closer on the mound, fans ready to celebrate. 2 outs. (want me to keep going or do you get the picture yet?) That is clutch. Unless of course, your team loses the WS.?
Seriously, would love to understand the logic of this one.
1976 Chris Chambliss ( not THE greatest, but certainly worth mentioning).
jmb, I would rank the Chris Chambliss walkoff Home Run up there too.
Here are my top six choices ranked in order:
#1 - 1960, Game 7 - Bill Mazeroski of the Pittsburgh Pirates becomes the first person to win the World Series with a walk-off home run, defeating the New York Yankees.
#2 - 1993, Game 6 - Joe Carter of the Toronto Blue Jays becomes the second person to win the World Series with a walk-off home run, against the Philadelphia Phillies. This was the first come-from-behind homer to end a World Series; Mazeroski's blast came with the score tied.
#3 - 1951, Bobby Thomson's "Shot Heard Round the World" that gave the New York Giants an NL pennant-clinching victory over the Brooklyn Dodgers.
#4 - 1976, walk-off home run by Chris Chambliss of the New York Yankees clinched the American League pennant.
#5 - 2001, Game 4 - In the first-ever World Series at-bat by any player in the month of November (just after midnight on November 1), Derek Jeter of the New York Yankees hits a walk-off home run against the Arizona Diamondbacks.
#6 - 1988, Game 1 - Kirk Gibson of the Los Angeles Dodgers comes off the bench to hit a walk-off home run against the Oakland Athletics. The Dodgers, heavy underdogs, go on to take the series in five games.
<< <i>Hey, an intelligent Yankee fan arrives. I'd agree with Chambliss as well.
Softie,
Pujols 2005. We shall see
We shall see what?
Are you saying the "clutch-ness" of a HR actually depends on what happens in subsequent games? Or the subsequent series for that matter? What if the Cardinals win the LCS, but lose in the WS, will you then dismiss Pujols' heroics? From the reasons you've dismissed my others, clearly you believe that. Pujols, like Henderson before him, hit a 2 out HR on the road to win a LCS game, which if he hadn't, his team would've lost the game and the series. One at bat, he makes an out, the season is over for him and his team. Everything, done. One pitch, the most important one of the season for him and the team. He doesn't walk. He doesn't single. And he certainly doesn't get out. He hits a HR. On the road. Down 3 games to 1. 9th inning. Closer on the mound, fans ready to celebrate. 2 outs. (want me to keep going or do you get the picture yet?) That is clutch. Unless of course, your team loses the WS.?
Seriously, would love to understand the logic of this one. >>
Of course that home run was clutch. It was unbelievable. As far as being an ALL TIME clutch HR? No, ALL TIME CLUTCH HR's are shots that are the difference maker in winning a championship. Over the vast history of baseball we sat here and called every clutch HR in the post season an ALL TIMER the list would be in the hundreds.
The key phrase in this thread title is ALL TIME. Not franchise all time, NLCS all time, NLDS all time .....
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Then who could forget Gibson emerging from the dugout and hobbling to the plate, and the OUTSTANING broadcasting of Vin Scully calling the whole thing! Then Gibson looks absoluely horrible swinging and fouling off pitches. Then all of a sudden he gets the pitch he was looking for and swings with his arms and sends the game into the record books, all of the Eck! The icing on the cake is Vin Scully's call of the whole thing.
This home run had all the importance of game winning, being in a WS, and grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat, but it is the other circumstances that set it apart from all the other.
THen how many remember the next game how on the pregame they paralleled Gibson's heroics scence by scene with Roy Hobb's heroics? By the way, I've never seen that Gibson/Hobbs replay since the day it happened. Has anybody got a tape of that?
Bob Costas said it best, it was so unbelievable it was like a "B-Movie."
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