Most underacheving sports franchises.
RANDYMOSS84
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Saw a list on ESPN, here are some that were listed:
ATL Braves
Minny Vikings
Minn Twins
LA Dodgers
Anyone else think of any others?
ATL Braves
Minny Vikings
Minn Twins
LA Dodgers
Anyone else think of any others?
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I don't agree with any of the ESPN ones or the Oakland Athletics
I'd say historically:
Cleveland Indians
Cleveland Browns
Chicago Cubs
Chicago Blackhawks
Dallas Mavericks
Portland Trailblazers
Minnesota Vikings
New York Knickerbockers
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LA Clippers
NY Knicks
Boston Celtics
NY Rangers
Chicago Blackhawks
Toronto Maple Laffs
NY Mets
Baltimore Orioles
LA Dodgers
Detroit Tigers
Detroit Lions
Oakland Raiders
Minnesota Vikings
St. Louis Rams
SF 49ers
Chicago Bears
I know the thread said underachievers not chokes - the Phillies from around 1975 through 1983 had remarkable talent - and only one World Series title to show for it. Great hitting, great pitching, great fielding and only the one title. Every year except 1980 it was always something...and Houston came oh so close to beating the Phillies in the 1980 NL playoffs...it was so close to no titles at all.
It's been quite a while since Phila. has had a champion -- 1983 (Sixers) I think. That has to be the longest drought for cities with franchises in all 4 major sports!
With what's arguably been the best team in the NFC for what, 5 years, they still haven't won a super bowl?
They had the talent to win more than one ring
Basically due to moronic ownership and injuries.
I think framing it in modern time - for instance, in the last 10-15 years, which franchises did not perform as well as (rightfully) expected given their talent, I'd say:
MLB: Oakland, hands down, underachieving every year since 1990. Should be their motto.
NHL: Rangers, even depite the one cup, or Bruins/Flyers.
NBA: Knicks or Jazz
NFL: Vikings maybe, Dolphins or Jets
Any team that seems to have underachieved for any longer period of time did not in fact underachieve, they just sucked...
$208 million Payroll, cant even make it to the second round of the playoffs
You all have nothing better to do then bash the Yankees while your own teams wallow in misery with ownership that cares about profit before wins. GOOD FOR YOU GUYS !!!
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I believe they also were the AL Champs in 1959.
SD
It's funny, everyone complains about us (we, Yankee haters, Red Sox fans, intelligent people etc) always corrupting threads needlessly with anti-Yankee propaganda. Yet every (often completely justified) shot at the Yankees like this one, where a user dared suggest that the Yankees are underachieving due to the massive payroll and non-existent recent World championships, is always met with stupid, defensive and off-base comments like this one.
For shame. We'll wallow in misery as our teams lose (well, my teams don't lose much having won 1 of the last 1 World Series and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls), but you Softparade, are more than welcome to go wallow in your own loser vomit flowing through the gutters of NY as the championship memories fade across all your team sports, leaving you with nothing but high ticket prices, in-fighting, and national humiliation. Yeah, I guess you're right. It is wrong to call the Yankees underachievers. To do so is to presuppose that a rag tag group of overpaid steroid freaks should win in the first place. Which, clearly, they've proven they can not.
<< <i>You all have nothing better to do then bash the Yankees while your own teams wallow in misery with ownership that cares about profit before wins. GOOD FOR YOU GUYS !!!
It's funny, everyone complains about us (we, Yankee haters, Red Sox fans, intelligent people etc) always corrupting threads needlessly with anti-Yankee propaganda. Yet every (often completely justified) shot at the Yankees like this one, where a user dared suggest that the Yankees are underachieving due to the massive payroll and non-existent recent World championships, is always met with stupid, defensive and off-base comments like this one.
For shame. We'll wallow in misery as our teams lose (well, my teams don't lose much having won 1 of the last 1 World Series and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls), but you Softparade, are more than welcome to go wallow in your own loser vomit flowing through the gutters of NY as the championship memories fade across all your team sports, leaving you with nothing but high ticket prices, in-fighting, and national humiliation. Yeah, I guess you're right. It is wrong to call the Yankees underachievers. To do so is to presuppose that a rag tag group of overpaid steroid freaks should win in the first place. Which, clearly, they've proven they can not. >>
oh shut up with your sour grapes Mr. Red Sox fan and # 2 payroll in baseball , jacka$$
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My mistake, I thought this was the Sports Talk message board, not amature night at the Apollo.
If that's the best you've got, I'm heading to bed.
<< <i> but you Softparade, are more than welcome to go wallow in your own loser vomit flowing through the gutters of NY as the championship memories fade across all your team sports >>
what was that about amateur night at the Apollo?
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<< <i>(well, my teams don't lose much having won 1 of the last 1 World Series and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls) >>
Watch it BIG SHOT. Comments like the above will leave you labled as arrogant and spoiled! See what winning does?
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<< <i>Yankee haters = PATHETIC
You all have nothing better to do then bash the Yankees while your own teams wallow in misery with ownership that cares about profit before wins. GOOD FOR YOU GUYS !!!
HELOO! What else is a team, but a business? What do businesses do? Attempt to make a profit? tell me what's wrong with a team trying to do that? Do you think the Yankees are trying to win a world series for the fans? You are then delusional. they are obviously doing it for profit.
How dare someone criticize the MIGHTY YANKEES! THEY ARE GODS, NOT DARED TO BE CRITICIZED!!!
Parade, just because someone (justifiably) criticizes the yankees, that doesn't make them a 'pathetic' 'basher'....it just means they see that the highest payroll in baseball not equalling a world championship = underachieving.
Why are you so quick to overreact and bash immediately? You call this place a cesspool, why, because someone DARES to criticize the yankees?
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<< <i> (well, my teams don't lose much having won 1 of the last 1 World Series and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls), but you Softparade, are more than welcome to go wallow in your own loser vomit flowing through the gutters of NY as the championship memories fade across all your team sports, >>
See what winning does to the attitude? I wish I could find the article in the Boston Globe I read last year by a writer who described how he caught himself beginning to walk and talk like a Yankee fan
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You will never see me bash a teams "fans" in general. It does not take a smart guy to know that 99% of all teams fans are good ones. Its the likes of you, the 1% trash that all teams have that I enjoy beating down. In your cluless eyes, Yankee fans are not allowed to have "pride".
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I believe they also were the AL Champs in 1959.
You are correct. 1959 and 2005 since 1919.
<< <i>Pride? LOL . Its the same damn attitude that you cry about Yankee fans having. You are a joke
You will never see me bash a teams "fans" in general. It does not take a smart guy to know that 99% of all teams fans are good ones. Its the likes of you, the 1% trash that all teams have that I enjoy beating down. In your cluless eyes, Yankee fans are not allowed to have "pride". >>
No, parade, you like crying 'yankee basher!' at every opportunity.
You are so self-obssessed that you relish the fact that many, many fans of the game loathe not so much the yankees, but the overall arrogance (no, not pride) that surrounds its fans...fans who are more in love with their past successes than the team as a whole. When I see yankee fans, I see a lot of the attitude that surrounds LA Laker fans - a sense of entitlement, a sense of being owed championship after championship, that the other teams are mere fodder to be consumed and moved through on the way to another title.
It's not a matter of jealousy that people despise the yankees - what, with their unfair payroll advantages and arrogant, obnoxious fans - they see the way the fans treat others, the way they look with disdain on other teams and their fans, and they dislike what they see.
So before you go spouting off again about 'you're just a yankee basher! you know nothing!' Take a look in the mirror.
Funny, you edit your posts with the same regularity and offer about as much wit, maturity, humor and intelligence as a certain other NY knucklehead poster who needs no mention. Hmm.
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For shame. We'll wallow in misery as our teams lose (well, my teams don't lose much having won 1 of the last 1 World Series and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls), but you Softparade, are more than welcome to go wallow in your own loser vomit flowing through the gutters of NY as the championship memories fade across all your team sports >>
dg, is this an example of your mature and witty comments? Shut up you idiot. You are in the 1% trash of Red Sox fans.
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dg, is this an example of your mature and witty comments? Shut up you idiot. You are in the 1% trash of Red Sox fans. >>
'shut up you idiot'?
Wow.
Talk about mature and witty.
<< <i>...fans who are more in love with their past successes than the team as a whole. >>
Ax, I challenge you to find ANY comment I have made about past Yankee success or how many championships they have. Go ahead, you won't find anything.
DG the Sox fan says it is "pride" when he shoves the "1 of the last 1 World Championships and 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls" crap in my face
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Softparade, you sir are a dried booger.
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dg, is this an example of your mature and witty comments? Shut up you idiot. You are in the 1% trash of Red Sox fans. >>
'shut up you idiot'?
Wow.
Talk about mature and witty. >>
Ax, come on
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<< <i>Actually, I thought my "vomit flowing through the gutters of NY as the championship memories fade" was rather eloquent and poetic.
Softparade, you sir are a dried booger. >>
Of course you find your own drivel "eloquent and poetic" It is "PRIDE" isn't it?
dried booger? Don't make me laugh dammit!
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dg, is this an example of your mature and witty comments? Shut up you idiot. You are in the 1% trash of Red Sox fans. >>
'shut up you idiot'?
Wow.
Talk about mature and witty. >>
Ax, come on
When I do it, you don't see me calling someone out for making 'mature and witty comments', then call them an 'idiot' and for them to 'shut up'.
Hypocrisy is a stinky cologne...but you're a yankee fan, so you probably like that kind of stuff.
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When I do it, you don't see me calling someone out for making 'mature and witty comments', then call them an 'idiot' and for them to 'shut up'.
Hypocrisy is a stinky cologne...but you're a yankee fan, so you probably like that kind of stuff. >>
ummmm, ok Ax. Problem is I did not call anybody out. That was done to me. Better read the post BEFORE that one. tsk tsk tsk
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ummmm, ok Ax. Problem is I did not call anybody out. That was done to me. Better read the post BEFORE that one. tsk tsk tsk >>
What are you, 5?
"I didn't start it! He did!"
Geez.
care whether you live or die. What I dislike about the Yankees, is what I dislike about the Red Sox, the Red Wings, the NY Rangers, and other
big budget teams. They over pay for players, and they pass the cost onto the fan which is ridiculous. If all these free spenders actually held
back, most of these over priced players would not be over priced. It shouldn't cost more than $10.00 to buy a baseball ticket. It shouldn't cost
more than a dollar for a hot dog. No one should be making more than $100,000 a year playing a boys game and actually only having to work
as many as 8 months if they make the world series. It's sick. There are people struggling, doing real work to take care of their families, and
they will be lucky if they make $30,000 after taxes. What I dislike about the Yankees is that over spending. How can you call someone a
shrewd business man that tries to buy up every free agent that's available? I'm sure there are people that think what the Yankees do is unfair,
but that's beside the point. What they do has been bad for baseball. Poor people can really no longer go to baseball games, so now it has
become somewhat of a segregated sport between the classes. There was a point where anyone could go to at least one baseball game with
their family without having to spend two weeks salary. Those days died long ago. I stopped going to any sporting events about three years
ago because I sat down and thought about it. Paying $50.00 to sit in a hard plastic seat, while the ushers are rude to you and who knows
what the food preparers did before putting the cow lips and rectum (hot dog) together is sick. If everyone stopped going to high priced teams
games, the prices would drop so fast, but everyone seems to be looking out for themselves. It's pretty sad. We may call the them the United
States, but united we are not.
I have said so many times before .... the bafoon know it alls go after the Yankees for doing what is allowed by the rules. Indeed the money the Yankees spend IS NOT good for the game when most teams can't spend what they do. (Axtell, yes there are teams that need to go bye bye). All of you Yankee haters need to go after Major League Baseball and its system. The New York Yankees do NOTHING wrong. The system is WRONG. Get it clowns?
By the way ----------> this is a clown
Axtell and dgbaseball if you go look in the mirror you will see what a clown is. THEN, after this realization is digested, you can carry your torches to MLB which is the real culprit.
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I don't believe anyone has used the word "wrong" to describe what the Yankees do. The point was they spend a ton of money, buy the best players, then don't win. Text book definition of underachieving.
Frolico,
It shouldn't cost more than $10.00 to buy a baseball ticket
Yes it should. I certainly agree that major sports are generally overly-expensive and players are generally overpaid. But put the violin away and try to keep up with inflation. Just as the rest of world has progressed since Babe Ruth made $100,000, so should MLB. It's called a free market society. It's econ 101. It's why your doctor drives a Bentley and no one says boo.
It is unreasonable that my Sox tickets have more than doubled in price over the last 8 years, but there's a fair medium here, and it ain't in the 1950s as you so sappily yearn for.
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I don't believe anyone has used the word "wrong" to describe what the Yankees do. The point was they spend a ton of money, buy the best players, then don't win. Text book definition of underachieving.
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Nice tap dance dg, YOU defiantaley think what the Yankees do is WRONG. Again, you are mis-directed. Take this up with MLB
Text book definition of underachieving based on payroll? Ok, your Red Sox are right behind the Yankees in that case.
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