Angels Just got screwed
RANDYMOSS84
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I hope for the sake of those UMPS they don't ump a game in Anheim ever.
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<< <i>I hope for the sake of those UMPS they don't ump a game in Anheim ever. >>
That call was the biggest load of crap I have ever seen in my years of watching sports. I sincerely hope those umps get fired effective immediately and have to resort a career of bagging groceries.
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<< <i>Mega, just think if the Cubs lost a game on this type of call. Death threats would already be flowing in LOL. Luckily these are angels fans were talking about
Yeah, LOL. But it is true.
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....If Dave Stewart were pitching I'm sure he would have been
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<< <i>Lou Piniella said "The third base ump should have been solicited a lot sooner!"
....If Dave Stewart were pitching I'm sure he would have been
Get it? >>
What -- Dave Stewart is a switch-hitter? I never knew that!!
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<< <i>We'll take it .... ahhhhhhh, what's a series without controversy? Anyone remember the Baltimore/Yankees series with the kid catching the homerun?
Wick >>
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It just catches you off guard when a player pulls a fast one on the umps so easily.
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<< <i>What -- Dave Stewart is a switch-hitter? I never knew that!! >>
He didn't know it either. I'm sure it's quite easy to mistake 6'3" transvestite prostitutes as real women.
Catcher was Josh Paul--ex-White Sox player--HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Alright now let's get real, according to Rule 4.19 in the Major League Rule Book, Mike has until 12 noon tomorrow to file an appeal to The Major League Office. If i was Artie Moreno i would have already been blistering somebody's ear in that office..
<< <i>The umpire should be fined or fired. It's the only way to help prevent these clowns from being on the take or betting on the games themselves. IrishMike, you should take off your homer glasses to see the play for what it was. >>
He's too busy trying to say that he's the only one among us who has ever played organized ball, then he's too busy saying the angels did it to themselves by only getting 5 hits and scoring one run. But let's not forget the white sox only got 7 hits, and committed an error themselves.
<< <i>I can only assume that those of you who think the Angels got screwed never played organized baseball. They teach you in little league to tag out the batter on a pitch like that. The side replay does show the ball changed directions and the umps agreed its inconclusive. If Pier hadn't swung at the pitch would have been ball 4 and same results. The Angels committed 3 errors, got 5 hits and one run, as Sciosa said they lost the game not the umps. Get real you whinies.
Played baseball from little league to last year my senior year of high school. I played catcher/outfield. And made all california 2nd team... If i made a clean catch and saw the ump say strike three id walk of the field thats what happened.
BTW irish mike ill take 1 run on 5 hits in a playoff game anyday. Escobar picthed lights out and was owning the Whitesox..
After the game, Eddings watched several replays and stood by his call.
"We saw it on a couple different angles, the ball changes directions," Eddings said. "I had questions. I didn't have him catching the ball."
Positive the inning was over, Paul rolled the ball out to the mound with the Angels already coming off the field, so Pierzynski was easily safe.
"Customarily, if the ball is in the dirt, say if we block a ball for strike three, they usually say, 'No catch, no catch, no catch.' And I didn't hear any of that," Paul said. "That's why I was headed back to the dugout."
So we have a guy in just his third postseason umpiring home? There wasn't anyone available with more experience? It seems that the fault with this lies solely on his shoulders.
That being said, I find it rediculous that all of you are so sure it was the umps fault. I was listening to it on the radio and didn't see it until I got home, and being in Chicago I was listening to the Sox broadcasters. When I got home I was shocked to see that Paul actually may have in fact trapped it. It was close an his mitt hit the dirt therefore I think the ball may have as well. There is no instant replay so you do not need indisputable evidence mind you.
Also, Pierzinsky(sp?) was catching all game. He listened to every call the ump made, strikes, outs, and everything else. He knew the cadence that the ump had for strikeouts, and even more 3rd out strike outs. The signal was HARDlY emphatic, as Softparade had said. Beyond the hand gestures the umps make, they also make aural calls. AJ obviously found something that the ump did different that he thought there was some doubt in the umps mind whether the ball was caught or not. The one thing that the ump was emphatic about was his right arm going outward, which signifies a swing and no contact.
It was a close call and I am still not sure it was the wrong call.
Now, to address some of the absurdity posted above:
<< <i>The game on the basepaths and defense for both teams has been horrible. You can't win a WS with this type of play. >>
pitching 5 hit one run ball can't win the series?
<< <i>the 3rd stringer was not the average third stringer. For goodness sake he is writing a book based on Catching. He is a vet and did what he knew. >>
Well, NO! He is a 3rd stringer. Its that simple. I don't care if he is writing a book. Bill Clinton wrote a book on healthy marriages, so by your logic I should assume that he is pro on the subject? The funny thing is that Paul is actually a pro on the subject, where at this time only 90 or so other guys could claim the same. So he is smart for writing a book, but he is still a 3rd stringer and an average one at best. If this were a national league team he wouldn' have been on the roster. They typically only carry 2.
<< <i>That was just awful. The home plate ump was emphatic with his out call and Pierzynski just takes off for first. All the umps were just looking around wondering what the hell was going on >>
Soft- I addressed this already, but you really think they weren't watching? There was either no call, or no unanimous call made and they all were watching because the game wasn't over.
<< <i>possibly changing the course of the series. >>
If the Sox won anyhow, this would be of no affect on the outcome of the series
<< <i>That was without a doubt the most blatantly botched call I've ever seen - especially since the ump signaled three strike twice. I never thought video replay belonged in baseball, but it should in the playoffs in situations like that.
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Dude, wow. I know it just happened, but the most blatantly botched call ever? That is the most blatantly botched statement I have heard in a while.
I agree with many things said here especially with IrishMike as Sciosa said they lost the game not the umps. Get real you whinies.
Sorry for the lengthy reply but I hate when people go overboard on a questionable call. I honestly have no interest in who wins but I am a realist and I try and be a fan of the game first, my team second.
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you either need new eyeglasses... or a tin cup!
there is ABSOLUTELY NO question that the pitch was caught cleanly.
sando- I was not saying there were replays that I saw that showed it was inconclusive that it hit the ground, but rather the opposite. There were no replays that showed it did not. Paul's glove hit the ground. The ball was in his glove after that. I don't think a trap is out of the question. It may have been caught it may not have. How many times do you see a catcher make sure to tag a player after a 3rd strike close to the ground? They do it often. This was a close call and Paul didn't do it. There obviously was a doubt in the umps mind that Paul caught it which is why he didn't walk down the line signalling out the whole time. There is no instant replay so the video is smoewhat meaingless. There have been many times in the recent playoff series where the umps conference and then make the call. They didn't change the call here and they could have. So all eyes of the umps were enough in doubt the ball wasn't trapped. That's all I am saying. I can't see how everyone sees that it was a botched call when Pauls mitt did hit the ground and the ball may have as well. Did it? I don't know. But the umps didn't know either and the video does not show that it without a doubt(which hardly matters as it was a judgement on ALL the umps behalf) did not hit the ground or been trapped. I am done for the night, and I don't know the right answer, but I cannot see how so many think they do.
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No matter what, I think Scioscia was classy the way he handled it in the post-game interviews. As a fan, I feel pretty good about how we are playing the White Sox so far with our banged-up pitchers and crazy flight schedules. Hopefully the Angels will get their rest on the travel day and come out recharged on their home turf.
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Try turning on your brain instead of listening to some fat white guy on sportstalk crying how the angels got robbed. Even if its the worse call in history they lost the game. Nobody scored on that play, they let the guy steal second, the pitcher had two strikes on Crede and if you can't strike him out then its your fault.
Randy Moss in you would take one run in a playoff game every time you will never win a series. Your brain must be cloned from Moss's 2 cell lump of gray matter.
<< <i>No matter what, I think Scioscia was classy the way he handled it in the post-game interviews. As a fan, I feel pretty good about how we are playing the White Sox so far with our banged-up pitchers and crazy flight schedules. Hopefully the Angels will get their rest on the travel day and come out recharged on their home turf. >>
Yeah Scioscia is handling it the right way. Unlike the 1985 WS, when Whitey Herzog dwelled on the blown call so much they Cards lost Game 6 and Game 7. Whitey should have sucked it up, moved on, and prepared for Game 7 -- instead he beetched about the call from the start of the game, lost focus, and the Cards got creamed.
There are probably numerous blown calls in baseball history that nobody cares about because the team that got hosed overcame the bad call and won anyway.
That call turned the whole game upside down. If that would have been the first or second out of the inning it would have been a different story, but since the inning should have been over Escobar was pitching to a guy in a situation he shouldn't have been put in the first place.
The MLB rules on this are a joke. According to them a player can practicly get into the dugout and then run to first and still be called safe on a situation like that. Now how can that be when there is also a rule of runners staying in the basepath? Don't they seem to contradict themselves?
Now and most important: I have immense respect for Mike Sciosia in the postgame interview. No whining or complaining - just a simple feeling that they could have played better and not put themselves in that situation to lose the game. Class! This interview should be part of the 'charm course' that new managers should have to take before taking charge.
All and all, interesting game. The major problem? No Braves!
mike
NOW as for the play!! It looks like he caught it, but being that catchers glove does not have the same webbing as a regular glove, there is absolutely NO WAY to know FOR CERTAIN if that ball also got a little dirt when it hit in the glove. The ball was out of sight from the camera when ti was covered with the glove, and nobody knows for sure it it was trapped a tiny bit when he caught it. SO any catcher should know to tag him to make sure, plain and simple.
I'm 99% sure he caught it, and the Sox certainly got a break...but hey, that is probably the first break in Chicago baseball history to go Chicago's way(when you include Cub baseball for sure) way, so don't be too harsh on them
<< <i> I'm 99% sure he caught it, and the Sox certainly got a break...but hey, that is probably the first break in Chicago baseball history to go Chicago's way(when you include Cub baseball for sure) way, so don't be too harsh on them
Tony Graffanino gave them a big break as well!
<< <i>Ya'll make me chuckle, its apparent none of you played any more baseball than catch. The umpire can't see the ball he has to go by what he hears. Everybody who has ever caught knows this. The comment about waiting to see what Paul was going to do was in the context that the play is still alive, until the batter goes to the dugout, the pitcher throws to first or tags out the batter.
Try turning on your brain instead of listening to some fat white guy on sportstalk crying how the angels got robbed. Even if its the worse call in history they lost the game. Nobody scored on that play, they let the guy steal second, the pitcher had two strikes on Crede and if you can't strike him out then its your fault.
Randy Moss in you would take one run in a playoff game every time you will never win a series. Your brain must be cloned from Moss's 2 cell lump of gray matter. >>
I said i would take giving up 1 run. Go ahead and talk about moss all you want he is the most dominate WR in the game and defenses hate to see him on the other side of the field. I know you are a little bitter since Lienhart and Bush are gonna make you choke on their... LOL
I could understand the rest of the Angels confusion with the umps signal, but none of them really had anything to do with it. Paul never even looked at the ump. My order of blame goes: Paul, Escobar, idiot ump.
Everyone involved admitted the umpire didn't say 'no catch...no catch', he rolled his fist signifying an out, and the umpires got together....and they STILL got it wrong.
The Angels got jobbed big time on this...regardless of whether or not the catcher didn't tag the batter.
Both breaks courtesy of ex Sox too(plus the ump of course).
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