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Texas 6 bits

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CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    To me that is sad!
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  • BailathaclBailathacl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭
    Unspeakable numismatic evil.... um, unless you're into that kind of thing....
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are any of these Texas counterstamps real?
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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Somehow that lettering style doesn't really appear contemporary to the 1820-50s.
  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a hunch that that counterstamp is a fantasy, mostly for the reason Mac mentioned.

    If it were real and could be conclusively linked to the Republic of Texas era, it would be worth some bucks.

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  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    Nothing much lost there, these LIMA George II coins are pretty run of the mill, it's a fairly naff grade too.

    Although one good thing about it being counterstamped is it'd be hard to ruin it much further, i would use that one as a pocket piece!

    I've got a counterstamped William III 1697 halfcrown, in a pretty low grade (lower than the George II one) and i've used that as a pocket piece now for a few years along with a Charles II half guinea.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Now if it were a much higher grade and had the EB punch.....it might just draw some flies, eh Aki.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a 1728 French Ecu on the Holey Coin vest that is also counterstamped with non-contemporary-looking lettering.

    It says "YMCA" on it. image

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  • 3Mark3Mark Posts: 593 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a hunch that that counterstamp is a fantasy, mostly for the reason Mac mentioned.

    If it were real and could be conclusively linked to the Republic of Texas era, it would be worth some bucks. >>



    I think at least two people thought if was real if you look at the price. 3Mark
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  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭
    image Not particularly interesting to me personally, but since four individuals each placed bids of $100 or more, I have to believe there must be something to it. - Preussen
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  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    I'd only bid on it if I knew about the counterstamp. It doesn't look good to me, but maybe the experts have a different opinion.
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Why six bits? It seems like an odd denomination.
  • RickeRicke Posts: 677 ✭


    << <i>Why six bits? It seems like an odd denomination. >>




    not so much... these were bigger than 4 reales. 6 bits might have been a little high for silver content, but it would have been more than 4 bits in value.

    I agree that the stamp looks a little suspicious.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    How much was a bit in this period?
  • RickeRicke Posts: 677 ✭


    to my knowledge a bit had always been 12 1/2 cents, 2 reales equal to a quarter dollar. So this, would it be authentic, would be valued at 75 cents to the american dollar at the time. it is an odd denomination, but the reasoning would be that it probably has more silver weight than an 8 reale clipped in half.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Well yes, a bit was one eighth of a dubloon, as far as I know. Or one-eighth or anything. So at that time, how much was one bit in silver? Assuming the counter-stamp is real, was it defining six bits of silver? Was the bit a monetary unit or a unit of weight? Or both?
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭


    << <i>to my knowledge a bit had always been 12 1/2 cents, 2 reales equal to a quarter dollar. So this, would it be authentic, would be valued at 75 cents to the american dollar at the time. it is an odd denomination, but the reasoning would be that it probably has more silver weight than an 8 reale clipped in half. >>




    One dollar was about equal to 5 shillings, a crown being the same kind of weight and size as a 1 dollar coin.

    I'm presuming this is a halfcrown? So technically it should be about 50c. True the halfcrown would be a little bigger than the half dollar but it'd be more like 60 cents, not 75. So face value would be a good 15 cents over silver value, take into account the fact that the halfcrown is worn too.
  • DabigkahunaDabigkahuna Posts: 3,419

    No matter.

    It's still way cool!


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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    It is cool, assuming it's real. I just want to understand what it is.


    Does anyone know about the Republic of Texas monetary system? Was there one? What currencies were in circulation?
  • RickeRicke Posts: 677 ✭


    << <i>Well yes, a bit was one eighth of a dubloon, as far as I know. Or one-eighth or anything. So at that time, how much was one bit in silver? Assuming the counter-stamp is real, was it defining six bits of silver? Was the bit a monetary unit or a unit of weight? Or both? >>



    I think a doubloon was 2 escudos, and so a bit would be 1/16th of a doubloon.

    The last question is both, I guess. Because the monetary system of the time was largely based on specie value. defining it six bits of silver would be attempting to claim that it has x amount of silver so would be worth x amount in trade.

    but I do not know how much weight in silver was equal to one bit... that's a darn fine question.

    2 bits would be 1/4 of 8 reales... this contains .7860 oz. of silver content, 1/4 equal to .1965. An actual 2 reales, in full equal to 2 bits also contains .1965, so 6 bits is .5895 oz. of pure silver. A half crown appears to contain .4476 oz. of silver - which puts it marginally under 5 bits in silver content, if I did my numbers right.
  • RickeRicke Posts: 677 ✭


    << <i>
    One dollar was about equal to 5 shillings, a crown being the same kind of weight and size as a 1 dollar coin.

    I'm presuming this is a halfcrown? So technically it should be about 50c. True the halfcrown would be a little bigger than the half dollar but it'd be more like 60 cents, not 75. So face value would be a good 15 cents over silver value, take into account the fact that the halfcrown is worn too. >>



    that's what I figured too... more than 50, but less than 75. This is what makes me question the authenticity of the piece the most. This would have been weighed prior to stamping - and valuing the piece in 6 bits would have created quite an outcry when people found out they ended up with 5 bits worth of silver.
  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭


    << <i>that's what I figured too... more than 50, but less than 75. This is what makes me question the authenticity of the piece the most. This would have been weighed prior to stamping - and valuing the piece in 6 bits would have created quite an outcry when people found out they ended up with 5 bits worth of silver. >>




    Which is what i was thinking.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there any evidence to indicate when these pieces were counterstamped? Are there any contemporary references to these pieces?
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