Stottlemeyer Rips Queen George
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"Speaking in the Yankees clubhouse where he's spent 21 seasons as a player and coach, Stottlemyre said he interpreted Steinbrenner's statement following the Yankees' elimination by the Los Angeles Angels as a slap at Torre. Steinbrenner said Tuesday: "I congratulate the Angels and their manager on the great job they've done."
"I laughed when I saw it," Stottlemyre said. "My first thoughts were, 'What about Joe? Joe had done a hell of a job, too.' To congratulate the other manager and not congratulate your own after what he'd done this year, I laughed."
George is a buffoon, and he's ruining the yankees the more he interferes (which is fine by me!)
Stottlemeyer gone, are Torre and Cashman next? Article says Torre is owed $13 million next year...think they do a buyout and clean house?
"Speaking in the Yankees clubhouse where he's spent 21 seasons as a player and coach, Stottlemyre said he interpreted Steinbrenner's statement following the Yankees' elimination by the Los Angeles Angels as a slap at Torre. Steinbrenner said Tuesday: "I congratulate the Angels and their manager on the great job they've done."
"I laughed when I saw it," Stottlemyre said. "My first thoughts were, 'What about Joe? Joe had done a hell of a job, too.' To congratulate the other manager and not congratulate your own after what he'd done this year, I laughed."
George is a buffoon, and he's ruining the yankees the more he interferes (which is fine by me!)
Stottlemeyer gone, are Torre and Cashman next? Article says Torre is owed $13 million next year...think they do a buyout and clean house?
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what the hell is wrong with you? Your preoccupation with the New York Yankees borders on insanity. Is there nothing that interests you about what the Seattle Mariners might be doing this off season?
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In case you haven't noticed, there are LOTS of people here who dislike the Yankees (you can count me as one of them). Axtell is not unique.
<< <i><< what the hell is wrong with you? Your preoccupation with the New York Yankees borders on insanity. >>
In case you haven't noticed, there are LOTS of people here who dislike the Yankees (you can count me as one of them). Axtell is not unique. >>
ummm ok,
what IS unique is that the hatred you fellows have for the New York Yankees SUPERSEDES the interest in your own teams .....
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Yes, to an extent that's true. It's just that the Yankees have such a high payroll, they essentially invite resentment and criticism. (Regarding my own team - the Mets obviously - I pay them even more attention. I just don't post message after message about them.)
<< <i>(Regarding my own team - the Mets obviously - I pay them even more attention. I just don't post message after message about them.) >>
And neither do I post message after message about them. I just reply to the propaganda. Besides Gemmy 10 you should notice that almost NOBODY posts pro Yankee , over the past two weeks since I started posting in this forum I have found it quite comical that so many "fans" hold hatred to the New York friggen Yankees MORE than interest in any other team that they CLAIM to be a fan of.
Jersey, great post by the way! No bull$hit diatribe about the "evils" of the Yankees, but honest and REAL reasons why you crazy people do what you do !
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D'oh
<< <i>Edited due to NYG icon confusion.
D'oh >>
yawie, this will be taken care of on icon upload day
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I have always supported Steinbrenner against naysayers. He was charismatic and driven when he got hold of the team in the 70's from CBS/Michael Burke, and then did what he had to do through the era of free agency and big media contracts to spend back what he could get to deliver winning teams. But it is becoming apparent over the last few years that he no longer "cares" about his "baseball guys" .... and via either senility or ego is putting the organization asunder with money versus baseball acumen.
He has lost great organizational guys...Berra, Zimmer, Gene Michaels, Willie Randoph, Stottlemeyer and probably now Cashman. Michaels and Cashman built the successful teams of the 90's with some of his money...but mostly aided with development of talent within the system. When Micheals exited and Cashman got weak...circa 2000...George took over again by buying talent and running the show. Randoph bailed, Zimmer bailed and Mel is bailing. Torre is the best thing going for George and the Yankees. I hope he stays and can have some impact. Otherwise, I won't associate much with this team anymore. Regards.
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what the hell is wrong with you? Your preoccupation with the New York Yankees borders on insanity. Is there nothing that interests you about what the Seattle Mariners might be doing this off season? >>
Preoccupation? And you make it sound like this was a small or insignifcant story...this change signifies what potentially is a huge upheaval in yankee land, and any baseball fan would be remiss if they didn't see it's significance.
I would ask, what the hell is wrong with YOU? Your preoccupation with everything *I* post that has to do with the yankees seems to border on insanity.
It's a big story, and reveals what a lot of people in the yankee organization must feel about George...but they like having jobs, so they keep quiet.
If you hate my posts so much parade, why are you on my sac so much on every one of them?
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what the hell is wrong with you? Your preoccupation with the New York Yankees borders on insanity. Is there nothing that interests you about what the Seattle Mariners might be doing this off season? >>
Preoccupation? And you make it sound like this was a small or insignifcant story...this change signifies what potentially is a huge upheaval in yankee land, and any baseball fan would be remiss if they didn't see it's significance.
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Nope, its a preoccupation with the Yankees.
Potential Upheaval in Yankee land?
The Yankees are ALWAYS a step away from "potential upheaval"
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<< <i>What was that old one, by the way? Looked like something off of the Shakedown Street cover, but I could never figure it out. >>
Shakedown Street it was!
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In all reality, there may be some off season mud slinging but I dont see any changes like that. The only way Cashman will go is if he decides he can take the stress no longer. It would be a more fun and exciting challenge to go to another team that doesnt have such a high payroll...though in an interview, Cashman seemed quite confident he would be back as GM with the Yanks.
So Torre didnt make the big show again this year. Georgie will let Torre go for one more season...if they Yanks dont win it then Torre is definately history. Being a Yankees fan, I dont think I would like to see that happen.
I know the arguement is that Torre was never a great manager before and the high paid players make him what he is....I dont agree with that because what he does best is keeping those personalities in check and the players respect him. He is a player's manager and that is what the Yanks need.
He's so far resisted a formidable offer from Steinbrenner -- a 20 percent raise over his current $1.1 million salary, as well as an equity in the team -- that would make him the highest-paid GM in the major leagues."
If that doesn't say he's leaving, I'm not sure what does.
Torre has a couple years left, but with a new GM, a new manager seems to make sense too. But it will be tough to get him to go on his own, what, being owed over $13 million next 2 years.
You can say goodbye to Bernie Williams, he was a great player.
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Axtell, Joe Torre went through the Bob Watson GM period before Cashman. I would be shocked if Torre leaves. Most Yankee fans I know do not want Torre going anywhere (as neither do I). I learned long ago not to gauge how the mass feels by listening to the relatively few nut jobs who call into radio shows. Any Yankee fan who wants Joe gone is setting him or herself up for the ol "you never realize what you had till its gone" trap.
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Whatever the case, I thought the playoff exit was way too quick, but I think the 2006 edition Red Sox are going to be just fine.
<< <i>Soft - a lot of Sox fans realize that this past season was actually a great job by a team that lost its ace pitcher, and closer, for much of the year. They still won 95 games with a shaky pitching staff - but there is a lot of upside for 2006. The general feeling is Don't Trade Manny!, not that I expect them to, but there is always media talk regarding this. I think they'll either resign Damon, or perhaps if Scott Boras jerks the Sox around, they'll let him go and wind up with Juan Pierre in CF.
Whatever the case, I thought the playoff exit was way too quick, but I think the 2006 edition Red Sox are going to be just fine. >>
I agree, trading Manny would probably hurt more than help. The Sox would lose all that offense and protection for Ortiz, would get nothing for him, and might even have to pay part of his salary to boot!! His huge offensive numbers ALMOST make him worth the $20mm per he gets! They should just keep him --- the off-field stuff never affects his play anyway.
Damon is 50/50 -- it depends on how much he REALLY wants to stay. Is Torii Hunter available?
2006 does looks bright -- some good young talent coming up -- especially the pitching!!
As far as Torre, if any Yankee fan is calling for his head then I agree - they know nothing about baseball. My stance on Torre is that he is the main reason for their run.
I would LOVE him as manager of the Phillies.
Now, why do I think this will happen...
Cornhusker, your comment about some good young talent coming up is exactly why I think these times are coming soon... and also why I think a lot of people don't recognize it, or (as the team actively hopes) choose to ignore it for now. The Sox have done a brilliant job of convincing the fans and the world that it is better to have John Papplebon starting on opening day instead of Pedro Martinez.. We heard more about prospects and minor league ball over the last year in Boston than I can ever remember. The fact that everyone knows who Pedroia and Lester and Papplebon etc are is not a mistake. It's not because we're all smarter fans and more interested. They're marketed to us so that we respond with comments like "some good young talent coming up" while the expensive talent - Nomar, Pedro, Manny - are quietly shuffled out of town. Three HOF (well, assuming Nomar can stay healthy). Three guys absolutely destined to have their numbers retired by the Sox. With all due respect to Ortiz and Mo, the three most popular Red Sox of the last 15 years.... All run out of town, painted as trouble makers, crybabies, and greedy millionaires. Is some of that justified? Sure. But you don't make a lot of money investing in a franchise, unless you're in it for the long run. You make a lot of money convincing fans that it's better to abruptly end the Red Sox career of one of the most beloved players in franchise history in favor of renting Dave Roberts and Doug Mientkeiviticieticeievich for 2 months. And you say the Red Sox wouldn't have won if they hadn't traded Nomar and it was worth it. Well, is that really true? Who knows. There's may be some truth. Roberts doesn't steal the base, but maybe its because Nomar already hit 3 HR in the game. All we know now is Nomar is gone and so are the cheap rentals we replaced him with.
Don't get me wrong, they will spend some money. I'm not talking Tampa Bay cheap here. There are certain PR nightmares they just couldn't face (Varitek) and hopefully won't try to face (Ortiz when the time comes). But make no mistakes, this team is not going to be the 2005 Indians (minus the collapse, of course) next year. The Indians went through a similar transition (coincidentally, coinciding with the release of Ramirez) around 2000 or so. 5 years later, they're just now competing again with a crop of "some good young talent". Nor will they ever be the spending Yankees, of course (thankfully).
The 2005 Red Sox overachieved. The financially motivated moves before the season hurt the team. It's great that we all love Jon Papplebon and know the starting rotation at AA like we do the Boston club, but at the end of the day, if Pedro Martinez had been on the 2005 squad, they'd still be playing right now. No doubt about it. I think in the next few years the team will continue to spend only just as much as they think necessary to keep the interest up. Hope to get lucky with a few mid level guys. Bring up a lot of the young kids. Oh... and let Johnny Damon walk, not before turning him in to the bad guy.
In 2006, I think they will compete. I think they may even win it all. Hell, they may not be able to get rid of Manny, which will change my outlook (for the season, not for the owners as it certainly won't be for lack of trying) significantly. But it will be because the team overachieves again or because something just clicks and they have an amazing run. Or because the kids really excel, or some old pitcher comes in and wins 20 games. But it will not be because the owners have intentionally built a championship team. In the end, of course, winning is winning and it doesn't really matter. But there's something to be said for Dan Duquette's claim about "more days in first place" during his tenure. They never won it all, but they were consistently near the top. We shouldn't underestimate the value in that, nor the massive drop in popularity and spending that will follow one or two seasons of not making the playoffs.
I guess all I'm saying is we Red Sox fans need to go a little easier on the red kool-aid sometimes, and pay attention to what's really happening... The Red Sox are not going to compete with the Yankees much longer. Some see the Yankees crumbling, I think this is just the beginning. Within 2 years I predict the Yankee payroll to be more than double the Red Sox. The Sox will cut the payroll. Ticket prices will continually increase. The club seats are being installed. Hopefully they can pull it off and field a highly competitive team for at least a few more years and championships. Keep the park full, keep the excitement up.it...
The Nomar trade, in retrospect, helped the club last year. They likely would have lost him to free agency anyway. And remember, he turned down 4 years at $14 mil per, some much of what happened was his own doing. Also, Nomar has never been the same since he got hit on the wrists by Al (burn in hell) Reyes.
The Sox made a very competitive offer for Pedro. Obviously, they would have been much better with Pedro instead of Clement and Miller. However, they had to draw the line somewhere, as they were not going to pay Yankee-type stupid money for him. The Mets GM had a blank check and personal sway over Pedro which was hard to compete with.
Perhaps the Red Sox youngsters are overhyped, perhaps not. It will be fun to see how they do next year, though.
I'd also like the record to show that while watching Papplebon's first appearance, I turned to my wife and said "I don't see the Clemens comparisons at all. This kid's the second coming of Kerry Wood" To whom he's just recently started being compared.
I just hope he doesn't go the same way though, injury-wise. His stuff is electric. Walking off the mound in game 3 after the strikeout to end the inning, pumping his fist with such intensity really showed what kind of stones he has. I'm not so sold on Hansen though. His delivery looks to be begging for shoulder problems. Soon. But I think we'll all agree, it will be fun to watch, and by all accounts, we may see something special out of a few of these guys.
Everytime I discuss this I think back to a week night game against Seattle in the early 90s. Forgive if I've told the story before. It was a rainy night, and I was in the bleachers with some friends. Between innings while Seattle was warming up, I threw a tennis ball down at Jr Griffey. It rolled up and hit his leg on a few bounces. He picked it up, turned around, smiled and waved, and fired it right back up at me on the fly. How did he knew I threw it? Easy process of elimination... We were just about the only ones in the bleachers. In many ways, those nights can be as fun as a packed house, but obviously I'll take the full house any day.
From afar I think your analysis is way off base, but it is nice to see a doom and gloom Sox fan again.
Well, they (he) will get lucky (team will overpreform, guys have career years, someone will come out of nowhere and carry the team etc) from time to time and the Sox will be a better team for a season, undoubtedly.
Problem is, that's absolutely impossible to do consistently, especially as they run out of expensive stars to trade.
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