The new "COMPLETE EISENHOWER VARITIES SET" --David Hall PLEASE fill us in!!!!

GRANDAM

I PM'd David Hall on the Question & Answer Forum awhile back about when PCGS would add the 1971-S Peg Leg to the Eisenhower Varities Set. His reply was:



<< <i>We are in the process of adding several Ike varieties to what we will call a "complete variety" set. It will be a new set. >>



I have heard a rumor that PCGS will add 7 or more new varities to the set. I have a guess as to what they are:

#1 - 1971-S Peg Leg business strike Ty1

#2 - 1971-S Peg Leg business strike Ty2

#3 - 1972-D Peg Leg

#4 - 1974-D Peg Leg

#5 - 1976-D Ty1 Peg Leg

#6 - 1976-D Ty2 Peg Leg

#7 1971-D - RDV-006

My question is:


What do you guys think will be added to the IKE Varities Set? maybe David can jump in and fill us all in? I need to start hunting for any varities I might not have.

Thanks, GrandAm

COINDOG

Gary,
Congrats on your recent up grade ( 1972- type #3- MS66 )
I think that the 1978-D Peg Leg will also be included. They are about as hard to find as the type # 2.

Gandyjai

Gary,

First of all......CONGRATS on your huge LEAPFROG into #3 on the MS Ikes!
That new 73-D was no easy feat as well!

On The Variety Ikes....I agree with all you mentioned, but would change #7 to RDV-006 (that's
probably what you meant anyways). I wouldn't object to the 78-D either....I just haven't heard of them
yet. Heck, there are probably even a few more Peg Legs I am not aware of. I've only recently been looking
for the 71-S and 72-D.....been so busy looking there, (and looking for errors), that I haven't really ventured
into the other dates yet.

I think PCGS has been busy getting the Morgan VAM stuff up and running. Maybe, now that those
are out of the way, they can consentrate on some other things. I remember DH's comment on the
"Complete Variety Ike Set" and with around 7 (more or less) different new varieties in MS Ikes now
staring at them, it may be a little longer before they decide which ones they will start attributing for this
new set. They like to take their time on new varieties (except speared buffalos).......I mean, look how long
it took to get the 72-P's Types designated and there was a LOT of pushing from Ike collectors to get those done!
I would rather them take their time and get it right...that way they won't have to re-do it or ammend it.
Never-the-less, I am still very much looking forward to the "NEW" Ike Variety Set!

Happy Hunting!
Brian

edited to add more....

GRANDAM

Walter & Brian,

Thanks for the congrats!

And yes, I meant RDV-006. Sometimes my finger is faster than my brain.


Gary

segoja

We need to make sure we can define Peg Leg first.

jcping

100% agree with James' statement

GRANDAM

See my BUY-SELL-TRADE AD. A picture of a "REAL DEAL" Peg leg is posted. One of "THE TOP IKE GUYS" saw my Peg Legs in ST Louis this past spring and agreed they were the real thing. The Picture is what I like to call a Ty2 Peg Leg. I have recently sold some of what I call Ty1 Peg Legs in ANACS Holders on eBay. The leg on the "R" on the Ty1 is straight with no serif on the vertical leg but it is not pointed like a pirate leg. The slanted leg is strongly curved as on a normal coin and is not pointed in any way.

Does anyone disagree with my views on the (2) major types of Peg Legs??? The Ty1 is more common and the Ty2 is the rarer version. I don't know if this is how PCGS will label them or not but I am calling them Ty1 & Ty 2 just to seperate the (2) types.

Let's get the ball rolling on these!!!! I AM TIRED OF WAITING!!!!!!!

GrandAm

edited to ad: Noone has ever accused me of being overly patient

jcping

Type one could be a die polished varities and type two came from a different die.
I don't mind to push type one Peg Legs, but I think we go too far.
There are so many trivial double died Ike dollars. There are so many different size mint marks. Should we push them into the "complete" set?

segoja

Agree with JC....99% of these varieties are

<< <i>Trivial >>



just my opinion

On the Peg Legs (the majority of what I see called peg legs) they are die polish...yes other varieites in other series are die polish, but these are hardly eye catchers when you need a electron microscope to see them

cladking

This just keeps getting more and more interesting.

I sure wish I'd have paid more attention to Ikes over the years.

GRANDAM

James,

I don't quite understand your statement above. You examined my Peg Legs at St Louis last spring and YOU agreed they were in fact what YOU considered the RARE Peg Leg that according to Coindog in one of his posts YOU were credited with discovering.

Please clarify your position!!!

As far as trivial goes,,,,, I don't much care if PCGS recognizes the Ty1 or not. The Ty2 is what I am pushing for. The Ty2 can be seen with the naked eye,,,, no microscope is needed!

GrandAm

segoja

Grand Am.....my position is on the non 71-S Peg Leg's.

Your 71-S are the real McCoy.

The non 71-S Peg Legs are just die polish, and come in many states of erosion. the 71-S IMHO is a true variety, as they all are in the same state of preservation.

My comment on the microscopic varieites are those listed in Wiles and Wexler that need to be magnified 20X to see the variety. Those are worthless. Even the Peg Leg 71-S Proof doesn't bring any money these days.

ajia

Some Pics....

jcping

ajia, Yep! that's a true Peg Leg

GRANDAM

The pictures ajia posted are of one of my coins. I sent him the pictures and he posted them for me.

THANKS AJIA!!!

GrandAm

Rampage

Sorry I missed this first time around. I would be very happy if PCGS would do the 1971S Peg Leg (the real one) and the 1971D RDV-006. To me, the RDV-006 is a major variety and should be added. The rest of the varieties I could go either way on. However, there are a couple of 71S proofs with very nice DDOs that I would like to see added.

bushmaster8

I found it interesting when looking at the Coneca web site, that there is a listing for a DDO 72d that is a pegleg R/ normal R.

Would this dissprove Segos' position that all 72d's are the result of die polishing??

Gandyjai

I do not believe that ALL of the Peg Legs are the result of die polishing. I believe that some MIGHT be the
result of Frank G. "messing around" with the dies. I heard that he was known to have done this and the Mint
was not very happy with him because of it?
If that is true,...then yes...some of those Peg Legs mentioned could be actual die varieties....not just die polishing.

Is Frank G. still around?.....maybe he could shed some light on these Peg Leg "rumors"?
Does any one know any more about the truth or fiction of Frank's Mint Die "antics"?
Where could I find out more?....Wiles?...Wexler?.....Crawford,.....Flynn,.....Barlow?.... PCGS Forum members?
Some one PLEEEASE help me out here!

It seems like the only way an Ike Variety can get recognized these days is if it was an error, a DDO or DDR, or an RPM!

IF is WAS true and Frank did do this on a few occasions...we could dub them something like "Frank's Pranks Varieties"?

Brian

I LOVE IKES!

ModernDollarNut

<< <i>I do not believe that ALL of the Peg Legs are the result of die polishing. I believe that some MIGHT be the
result of Frank G. "messing around" with the dies. I heard that he was known to have done this and the Mint
was not very happy with him because of it?
If that is true,...then yes...some of those Peg Legs mentioned could be actual die varieties....not just die polishing.

Is Frank G. still around?.....maybe he could shed some light on these Peg Leg "rumors"?
Does any one know any more about the truth or fiction of Frank's Mint Die "antics"?
Where could I find out more?....Wiles?...Wexler?.....Crawford,.....Flynn,.....Barlow?.... PCGS Forum members?
Some one PLEEEASE help me out here!

It seems like the only way an Ike Variety can get recognized these days is if it was an error, a DDO or DDR, or an RPM!

IF is WAS true and Frank did do this on a few occasions...we could dub them something like "Frank's Pranks Varieties"?

Brian

I LOVE IKES! >>

ModernDollarNut

(Sory about the premature entry above)

Brian, I quoted you because I came across an interesting Ike that is now at ANACS for attribution:
- 71-S, weighs exact for silver: non-proof;
- Reverse is T2, ie, most probably a proof reverse of that year;
- HEAVILY die polished, with irregular pattern as if done crudely by hand with a brillo pad, even to the extent that there are some hairlines over central aspects of both obverse and reverse central device;
- The "R" in liberty is typical of extensive die-polish Peg Legs
- I saw no O or R doubling nor any other marker for known varieties.

The die "polish" is so severe the coin looks frankly whizzed except all the peripheral polish lines disappear under letters and numbers: the hairlines across the central parts of the devices I account for by visualizing someone using real elbow grease with a brillo pad such that there was some scratching into the largest device cavities. These lines do not appear at all at the shoulders of the devices, hence my argument that this is not a whizzed coin.

I thought it had to be an experimental Ike: that someone was playing with discarded proof dies to see how the vertical leg in the "R" of Liberty could be undercut to allow Ike's hair greater prominence.

Just now was sent this thread by GrandAm, and was intrigued to find your reference to a playful Frank G!! Rob (and I'll also email you)

Gandyjai

A 71-S Business Strike with a High-Relief Type 2 Reverse?!

WOW!

That's one hell-of-a discovery!
'Got any pics?

The only hypothesis that I can come up with would be...maybe it was one of the products of several trial working dies
used by the Mint in Jan of 1971 to determine the best combinatons of dies to use to produce the best coin.

***ALL OF THOSE prototype trial strikes were "supposed" to have been destroyed!***
I put quotations around "supposed" because that doesn't always happen....sometimes die trial adjustment strikes that
are "supposed" to be destroyed at the Mint still find a way out. I don't know how......but they do.
Now, I am sure that those prototype trial strikes were under MUCH closer scrutiny than regular die trial adjustment strikes,
so, to find one would probably comparable to finding one of the 77-D's struck on a 40% Silver Planchet!

It'll be interesting to see what ANACS says. Under the "old" leadership, they would NOT designate a new variety until it was
published or authenticated by a reputable publcation or expert. They would not attribute my new 73-S Silver Proof DDO until
I had sent it to Wexler (Via Brian Allen) and got confirmation and letter stating is was, in fact a new DDO variety.
Only after doing all that would ANACS slab it as a "Discovery Piece"....and they did.
Maybe under the "new" ANACS leadership....a coin of with the significance you described....they will send it to Breen and
get it verified and designated a new Breen Number for you and then slab it as a discovery piece as well.....Otherwise, you'll
have to do the "legwork".

I am curious...did you find it in a Blue Pack or raw?
Either way.....GREAT find!

You mean, now I gotta go back and look at the BACK of all those 71-S's that I looked at trying to find a DDO-007?!
Boy,...GandAM will LOVE that one!


Let us know what ANACS says.

Happy Hunting!
Brian

I LOVE IKES!

ModernDollarNut

Brian, I think I lost the pics I had when my laptop hard drive crashed: possibly they still lurk on a flash card, have to check. I bought it raw and naked for $5 on eBay as it looked like a peg. By the way, I asked the seller if she had any more? "No"..... darn. She said it was in her father's collection and she didn't know where he got it. Rob