Red Man Baseball Card Website Update
RGOLD
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I just added to my website a bunch of new scans from my Red Man collection. I hope you enjoy visiting the site, and always appreciate comments or suggestions to rgold7000@aol.com.
Hoping not to restart the great debate about "showing" sets on the Registry, but I sure wish PSA would find a way to allow those of us who prefer not to "show" our sets a way to comment on our sets and provide links to our websites.
Anyway, if you like looking at cards, go to www.redmancards.com.
Hoping not to restart the great debate about "showing" sets on the Registry, but I sure wish PSA would find a way to allow those of us who prefer not to "show" our sets a way to comment on our sets and provide links to our websites.
Anyway, if you like looking at cards, go to www.redmancards.com.
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Nice job on creating a definite reference site for any collector interested in Red Mans.
I wonder who got the other 8....no worry though.... I got good info it won't be showing up any time soon
at least in that holder....
aconte
That unopened '53 pack (with Reese no less) always kills me.
I'm working on a 1955 set and it is nearly impossible to find these cards. I can really appreciate all the work and cash you have put into your sets.
Any advice on putting together a Red Man set?
These cards can otherwise have very sharp corners and tremendous eye appeal, often times looking as nice as PSA 8's. I have found that I usually prefer the look of a PSA 6 Red Man card over that of a PSA 7, which often times exhibit some corner wear or chipping. There is usually a nice supply of PSA 6 Red Man cards available on eBay at very reasonable prices. Commons can often be bought for less than the cost of buying raw plus grading fees.
When you buy a PSA 6 Red Man card you are basically buying someone else's mistake, that being a card that the submitter felt could grade PSA 8 but they had missed the wrinkle. So for those collectors on a tight budget, I would heartedly suggest these cards.
That being said, PSA 8 and PSA 9 Red Man cards are rare, with just over a thousand graded for all four years combined. I have enjoyed the challenge of finding these cards in high grade condition, but it can be very costly, probably in the neighborhood of $150,000 to $200,000 to put together a full four year run. I would estimate the cost of putting together a PSA 6 run at about $15,000.
Hope this helps, and thanks for visiting my website.
Thanks!
1953 Red Man #20 Bobby Shantz PSA 10 Gem-Mint
Any guesses to the hammer price?
I even lost my three year reign as number one in that set because the competition for the 52's has been fierce.
But the card may be of interest to type collectors or collectors of PSA 10 vintage cards. So it could go higher if two or more bidders get involved. The card holds little interest for me, as my goal is to complete the sets in PSA 8 and 9, and the PSA 10 would be more of a curiousity to me than a card I would want for my sets.
So I asked Red Man expert Tony Conte for help, and he and his friends told me that I simply had to go to MICROSOFT PAINT and SKEW the HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL STRETCH of each scan. Evidently, this somehow changes the PIXELS and reduces the BYTES, but there could be a RESAMPLING problem.
Well, after two hours, I finally found Microsoft Paint, and made the changes to my scans. It seems to have worked because I was able to add more scans to my website. And at this point I don't care about any potential resampling problem.
I hope everyone enjoys the new scans. I wonder if I should ask Tony how to increase my website's ranking on Google searches.
I can not take credit for this other than passing on the information. Fortunately, I have at my disposal
113 of the brightest minds in the hobby. They are diverse and great collectors for sure.
As far as your Google ranking I guess as you add great information and links you will climb the charts.
Other than that I would ask a marketing guy not a bean counter to be sure. The pics are great and
I like the information you keep up to date.
As far as your other ranking that hit is always possible...lol!
aconte
Any predictions of the hammer?
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65 Topps Hunter RC PSA 8, 88 Topps Gossage PSA 10, more on ebay
Also, as long as there is some space on the coupon below the printing, the cards usually do not grade with a qualifier because of top to bottom off centering.
So while the Snider card is off center left to right, it is not surprisng that it would grade without a qualifier. I have no idea where the card will sell. 1952 Red Man prices have been very strong, and the card appears to be very nice in all other aspects.
No really, I think I can see it but I cannot tell if it's just a shadow in the scan or actually a line. If it is a line of some sort, what is your feeling about what it is?
Has Tony Conte or anyone else actually seen the card? Since the card is already bid up to 2 X SMR, it doesnt look like the card will be making its home in the RGOLD collection, but I am still curious.
Tony has been a Red Man influence on me, and after looking at that site - I gotta get me one! If anyone has a nice mid grade HOF member available (graded only - PSA or SGC) let me know.
Thanks for showing us your site
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I think the scans look even better now, worth every bit of the 20 hours it took me to do it.
Thanks for the many emails with advice.
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I might suggest an addition or two to your market report, both significant in my mind because they involve two cards that rarely (if ever) come up for auction.
1952 PSA 8 Musial sold for $3255 on ebay on June 20, 2005. (Legacy auctioned it.)
1953 SGC 88 (8) Reese sold for $1570 (15% buyer's premium included- a Bill Goodwin auction May 6, 2005). While I know your site is PSA only, this '53 Reese was the first I've seen of this calibre sell in an auction. What might a PSA 8 bring??
I started the website to serve three purposes. First, I wanted a place that I could go to to see my cards, and to let other collectors see them. I keep my cards in a bank vault, so it is hard for me to "play" with them whenever I would like.
Second, I wanted to promote the set to other collectors. I have quite a lot invested in the cards, and I feel that a growing number of collectors will increase the value of my cards.
Third, I wanted to use the website as a means of getting access to Red Man finds by having a place on the internet where a person who comes across Red Man cards can identify their cards, learn about them, and get some idea of their value. Hopefully, these people would then contact me if they decided they would like to sell.
It is not my purpose to use the website to sell cards. In the short time the website has existed, I have been contacted by many people who have found Red Man cards. As the website moves up the Google search rankings, I would expect even more inquiries.
I wanted the Market Page on my website to show the current population report numbers for high grade Red Man cards, and current SMR values. I think this information lets people know that the cards are relatively "rare" and valuable.
I included a report of recent Red Man sales and auction results to illustrate prices that the very best high grade cards could bring. However, as you point out, I have been selective in the sales I have listed, and in fact have not updated many recent sales. Basically I have not listed more sales and auction results because in the last six months it has become unclear to me what these sales truly show about the state of the Red Man market.
The populations on Red Man cards are still so low that when a new card comes to market the prices can be extraordinarily high. I suppose you can say that about any low population card where several buyers are chasing it, and perhaps I shouldn't try to interpret the results, but just report them.
However, I just don't feel this gives an accurate picture of the value of the cards especially as the website's purpose is to inform the novice or non collector of Red Man cards.
For example, yesterday a 1952 PSA 7 Duke Snider sold on eBay for over $700, over two times SMR. Perhaps that should be reported on the website, but my feeling is that the card sold that high for reasons that would not normally affect the price of the next one that comes to market.
There is only one 1952 Snider graded higher, the card was perceived to be a good crossover or upgrade candidate, and there may have been team or player collectors involved in the bidding.
I guess I just do not see the value in showing that a card sold for $700 when it's most likely that the next one will sell for almost half that much. Some of the recent PSA 9 Red Man cards have sold at prices that are hard to explain or justify in my mind. I have seen 1955 PSA Red Man Willie Mays sell for $1,500 on ebay, and then almost twice as much the next time.
Again, I am wrestling with these questions myself, and am interested in anyone's thoughts, that is if anyone cares.
As I have been bidding to acquire these cards, I have recognized a few things. As you say, the cards, even 1955, do not come up for auction very often. Bidding for grade 7 and 8 cards often goes above SMR, especially for common cards. I have been outbid on cards on amounts that I thought were generous, but as you say, the cards are not plentiful. I have not listed my set on the PSA registry, for the very reason that I don't want people to see the cards that I need.
All of which leads me to your question. I think that having both the SMR price and the recent auction prices both show the appropriate value. I think the SMR is slow to react to these secondary sets, so the value is truly set by the auction prices realized. Some day I hope to have the wallet to actually purchase one of these PSA 9 cards.
I truly appreciate the Red Man museum that you have established and whatever you decide it certainly is a benefit for all that find it.
Thanks for your efforts.
I understand that you're just showing a few realized prices vs. SMR prices to illustrate the demand for these cards. Whether you want to make more work for yourself by continually having to follow prices and then report them is up to you. (After all, some of us would come to rely on you for such updates.
Above all else, the set has one big thing going for it price-wise: condition-wise most of the cards, unlike their bubble gum counterparts, simply never had a chance. They came tightly wrapped on a pouch of tobacco, alas, many were creased from the getgo. Once young Tommy got the card from his dad, the card became more damaged either because of its size or the scissors that eventually cut the tab off. There's nothing here you don't already know, of course. But it illustrates again why Red Mans are rather unique among vintage cards (aside from their inherent aesthetic value) and why not many more PSA 8-9 calibre cards will come to the market (barring a "find"). Some might argue that PSA has only graded Red Mans for about four or five years now, alas, how do we know all gradable Red Mans have been, well, graded? We don't. But considering the small supply that was out there in the first place, I can't imaging there are many left now.
1952 Red Man PSA 8 Duke Snider