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worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭✭
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I have a question for those knowledgable in german coins. What do the following terms mean when describing coins? I have the impression they are negative adjectives, but the german to english translator I found on Google does not provide a translation. Thanks a bunch...

Fassungsspuren
Schrötlingsfehler
Henkelspur
Randfehler

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  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a question for those knowledgable in german coins. What do the following terms mean when describing coins? I have the impression they are negative adjectives, but the german to english translator I found on Google does not provide a translation. Thanks a bunch...

    1. Fassungsspuren
    2. Schrötlingsfehler
    3. Henkelspur
    4. Randfehler >>




    1. Escapes me at the moment, probably similar to #3...Where's Udo???
    2. planchet (flan) flaw
    3. mount removed
    4. rim/edge defect.

    - Preussen
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  • CIVITASCIVITAS Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Fassungsspuren >>



    Marks from a bezel or jewelry setting?
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  • UdoUdo Posts: 984 ✭✭
    I've typed a response and hit the wrong button, everything was gone then imageimage

    Preussen is correct on # 2 - 4 and Civitas got it on # 1.

    "Fassungsspuren" result from a bezel or jewelry setting. The impairment on the coin depends on the typ of bezel.

    The following example is probably the worst possible case, the coin is soldered with the jewelry setting. If you'd remove it, many marks at the rim would remain.



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    The coin in the next example is loosely fixed in the bezel. It'd probably easy to remov the coin, it's only held through some clips in its position, but in the majority of cases some dents, caused through the clips, remain at the coins rim.



    imageimage


    Abbreviations:

    Fassungsspuren: Fsp. or Fssp.
    Henkelspur: Hsp. or Hksp.


    Man, I was confused image
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  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭
    Udo: I believe I was also correct on #2. image - Preussen
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  • UdoUdo Posts: 984 ✭✭


    << <i>Udo: I believe I was also correct on #2. image - Preussen >>



    oooops, I'm a bit confused tonight, of course you was correct image
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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭✭
    Very helpful - I appreciate the help. All of you have helped me to avoid a purchase that I probably would have regretted.

    Udo - the photos really help to illustrate the bezel setting marks!
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