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FreibeuterFreibeuter Posts: 19
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Hey y'all, I havent been on the forum in months, but something came to my attention today. There are two UK sellers who have "Britannia Silver Proof £2" for sell, but the coin pictured looks like a BU, not a proof. Am I wrong - it is sometimes difficult to tell in a picture.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1998-Britannia-Silver-Proof-2-with-Certificate_W0QQitemZ8339869084QQcategoryZ3409QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I dont know if my links are good. The item number to the link above is 8339869084.

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  • satootokosatootoko Posts: 2,720 ✭
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    I sure can't tell from that picture, but with the current price below melt, who cares?
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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    THIS is a BU coin in a direct fit Air-Tite holder, I have no doubt about it!
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
    It would be interesting to see what the certificate states.

    I agree with Aethelred - the coin is a BU.
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
    To be fair to the seller, it is probably not fraud, but a point of confusion. The BUs do look prooflike.
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • BailathaclBailathacl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like a good opportunity to hit the "Ask Seller A Question" option on the auction....
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  • FreibeuterFreibeuter Posts: 19
    I went ahead and fired off a question to him before I posted. I will try to post his answer later. I understand that people sometimes get confused, but he has two "actual" proofs on sell as well, which makes the BU look like they should be what they are not.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8339841094&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1
    item number 8339841094
  • gxseriesgxseries Posts: 423
    Who knows... I mean, if he has the actual box and certificate, I seriously doubt he could have such serious mistakes, unless he was in for a real scam. I am hoping that he just made an error in the picture listing.
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>To be fair to the seller, it is probably not fraud, but a point of confusion. The BUs do look prooflike. >>

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    I have seen others confused about this. It may just be an honest mistake in the description rather than an attempt to mislead.

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  • kuhlikuhli Posts: 501


    << <i>Who knows... I mean, if he has the actual box and certificate, I seriously doubt he could have such serious mistakes, unless he was in for a real scam. I am hoping that he just made an error in the picture listing. >>



    Read the description. The case & CoA is from Westminster Collections, not the RM. Probably just a guarantee from Westminster that the coin is an official issue of the Royal Mint.

    BTW, Westminster Collections is the British version of Franklin Mint. Re-packaged coins at absurd prices.
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  • FreibeuterFreibeuter Posts: 19
    Ah, thanks for the clarification Kuhli. The bit about the Westminster Collections v RM makes sense. This probably is a simple event of mislabeling/misunderstanding. The Brittanias are really hard to read without the mislabeling, but this can really make things difficult. If coins have taught me anything, it is attention to detail. image

    Like I said above, I haven't been on the board for months. Now I realize the wealth of knowledge I am missing out on. I should be here more often!
  • BailathaclBailathacl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭
    Visit more frequently then.... sorry 'bout those Gators though....
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  • FreibeuterFreibeuter Posts: 19
    Re: Gators- Yeah, not as sorry as I.

    Anyways, I think this guy just doesn't know the dif btwn prf and bu. He respoded to my questions:



    << <i>The Picture does it no justice.
    I have just rear the Certificate and hope this make sense.
    This 1998 Britannia coin was struck by the Royal Mint in one ounce of fine silver, with an edition limit of 100,000. The unique reverse frosted, semi proof finish enhances the reverse design by Phillip Nathan. It shows Britannia holding a trident in one hand and a sheild and olive branch in the other. Her dress flows in the wind as she stands on a shore that is battered by the sea. The obeverse of this limited edition coin has the portrait of the Queen bt Ian Rank-Broadley, the fourth design to be used during her reign >>



    Guess this case is closed.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    For 1998 the proofs were your regular cameo devices and mirroed fields. The uncirculated version were basically reverse proofs.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    By the way the one wybrit linked is a PROOF 1997.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
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