The Yankees Clinch the Division.....the Yankees Clinch the Division!!!!
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When you have a payroll of $208M, you SHOULD win the Division.
Congratulations on buying another Championship.
Some members of this board will have to share a woodshed tonight.
You should win the division by September 1st....not October 1st.
Congrats will be reserved for those teams who do not buy their way into the post-season.
Im sure we will get more Yanks and Red Sox with the Indians crumbling.
See ya in WS! Yanks v. Braves - I need for the Braves to atone for 1996!!
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Thanks, Mike. May the best team win if the Yankees face the Braves.
Every team should envy the Braves farm system. It's been incredible for so many years.
Now, its time to spoil it for the Red Sox! As much as I love the rivalry I would take great pleasure to see the Red Sox not even make it to the playoffs! Will that be considered the biggest choke of all time? LOL Just something to raise the hair of all the Yankee haters!
Yes, that is what all Yankee fans hope
You wanna bet?
<< <i>Again, it has already been proven that the highest payroll does NOT guarantee the wins...those guys have to still go out there and perform. WEAK arguement. >>
WEAK arguement? Pot meet kettle.
Georgie Porgie BUYS the best players money can buy to BUY a World Series Championship... PERIOD.
Now the highest payroll does not guarantee Championships (see the Yankee's last 4 years) but it sure does help.
Yes, it does help but certainly does not guarantee it. Remember the Mess with Mo Vaughn, Rickey Henderson, Bobby Bonilla II, Sandy Alomar, and the list goes on and on? Or how about the 1998 Baltimore Orioles who had the highest payroll in baseball and finsihed in 4th place in the AL East?
Baseball needs a true Salary Cap like other sports but as I always have said, Boss George plays within the rules and puts out a winning team year in and year out. Yankee Stadium attendance was over 4 Million fans this year. It would be good if the cheapo owners of other teams attempted to give their starving fans a winning team instead of squirreling away the money for themselves.
<< <i>as I always have said, Boss George plays within the rules and BUYS a winning team year in and year out.. >>
Fixed!
You too funny. I will have to find your posts that said the Yankees were not going to make the playoffs.
<< <i>You too funny. I will have to find your posts that said the Yankees were not going to make the playoffs. >>
You do that, Spammy. While you're at it, go find my pictures of the WS tickets and the Pat's game via google.
You keep bumping these 3 month old threads for no reason. Stop the premature spamulations and find a thread where I said the Yanks were not going to make the playoffs.
<< <i>You too funny. I will have to find your posts that said the Yankees were not going to make the playoffs. >>
You do that, Spammy. While you're at it, go find my pictures of the WS tickets and the Pat's game via google
<< <i>Baseball needs a true Salary Cap like other sports but as I always have said, Boss George plays within the rules and puts out a winning team year in and year out. Yankee Stadium attendance was over 4 Million fans this year. It would be good if the cheapo owners of other teams attempted to give their starving fans a winning team instead of squirreling away the money for themselves. >>
I'm stunned. This is the first (and probably last) thing you've said that I actually agree with 100%
Not being a sore sport here, but seeing Torre crying after the game was a bit much. Jeez, what adversity you have had to overcome, Joe! An owner who shovels barrels and barrels of money at your team, and when 90% of the pitching staff craps out, you go and buy some more. Not to mention a batting order stacked from top to bottom. Tough job you have there, Joe!
What I won't recant is how pathetic is it, that a team with $208million+ in payroll had to wait until the 161st game in order to clinch a playoff spot.
Spammy, the fact the yankees are celebrating and Torre is saying this is the 'best ever' shows how far underperforming they are. They have no heart, no leader (no, Jeter is not a leader), the Yankees will always fall short.
The Red Sox win tommorrow, and they face the White Sox. I don't see the Yanks getting past round one.
<< <i>You wanna bet? >>
Dude, are you 12?
You say this all the time....'wanna bet?' like you're on a schoolyard playground.
Buffoon.
While I admit it is very satisfying when your team wins it all without spending a small fortune, why do you Yankees haters hold it against the team because their owner is willing to spend the money? Money does not win championships, but it does give you a better chance to win championships.
I feel for the Cleveland Indians fans. This is a very young and inexpensive team. However, if they don't win tomorrow, then they are out. If they win tomorrow and Boston loses tomorrow they still get a chance.
It really sickens me to read the crap that goes back and forth between the Yankees fans and the Yankees haters (mostly but not limited to Boston fans). A great rivalry will have good and bad series with good and bad outcomes. While I commend Boston for pulling the rabit out of the hat last year in games 4, 5, 6 and 7 to beat the Yankees, and you will always be able to point to that series with pride, the Yankees fans have many many more points of pride they can bring up. Let it go already.
Each year is a new year and a new team. Each team that makes the playoffs has to have good talent and LUCK. Injuries can make or break every team. This is especially true with the pitching staffs. You also have to hold it together in the stretch run. The Yankees did a very good job making up ground down the stretch. The experience of the Yankees team made all the difference.
That all being said. Go REDS. There is always next year. By the way, the REDS have one 9 world series games in a row. Boston - 1 game, NY Yankees - 4 games, Oakland A's - 4 games.
<< <i>I have always been and always will be a REDS fan. The bitterness on this forum between fans is unbelievable. The Yankees players really had to bust their butts to win the division. They were well behind earlier this month and had to catch a very good REDSOX team. Would it kill all of you to pause for one second and say good job to the Yankees team. Give some credit where it is due.
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Aren't ball players supposed to bust their butts ALL year, not just in the last month? Come on, you want to congratulate a team that called it in for over half the season? Congratulate a team that had enough payroll to cover up all the mistakes they've made in their player signings?
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While I admit it is very satisfying when your team wins it all without spending a small fortune, why do you Yankees haters hold it against the team because their owner is willing to spend the money? Money does not win championships, but it does give you a better chance to win championships.
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It doesn't give you a better chance, it erases the mistakes they've made over and over in player signings. If this were the NFL with the salary cap, the yankees would be a pathetic, less than .500 team. A salary cap would doom the yankees because they couldn't buy their way out of their ineptitude in signing players.
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It really sickens me to read the crap that goes back and forth between the Yankees fans and the Yankees haters (mostly but not limited to Boston fans). A great rivalry will have good and bad series with good and bad outcomes. While I commend Boston for pulling the rabit out of the hat last year in games 4, 5, 6 and 7 to beat the Yankees, and you will always be able to point to that series with pride, the Yankees fans have many many more points of pride they can bring up. Let it go already.
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So it makes you sick to read the crap, but then you say 'yankee fans have many many more points of pride they can bring up.' huh? Isn't that crap your flinging at bosox fans? Talk about hypocritical.
<< <i>Aren't ball players supposed to bust their butts ALL year, not just in the last month? Come on, you want to congratulate a team that called it in for over half the season? Congratulate a team that had enough payroll to cover up all the mistakes they've made in their player signings? >>
Of course all ball players are supposed to bust their butts ALL year, but it does not erase the accomplishment of any team that performs well down the stretch. While it would be better to get the lead and keep the lead (sort of like what the White Sox did this year), but it still does not detract from overcoming a deficit and pulling out the win at the end.
<< <i>t doesn't give you a better chance, it erases the mistakes they've made over and over in player signings. If this were the NFL with the salary cap, the yankees would be a pathetic, less than .500 team. A salary cap would doom the yankees because they couldn't buy their way out of their ineptitude in signing players. >>
You are just complaining about the system in MLB. It is what it is. You forget that there are teams that profit from the ability of teams like the Yankees to take huge pay role burdens off of teams that are going no where and are eager for the monetary relief. A salary cap would make many teams (not just the Yankees) re-think their way of doing business.
<< <i>So it makes you sick to read the crap, but then you say 'yankee fans have many many more points of pride they can bring up.' huh? Isn't that crap your flinging at bosox fans? Talk about hypocritical. >>
It is a fact the Yankees have been very fortunate to win many championships over the last 100 years. It is also a fact they have been very fortunate to beat Boston many times in winning those AL championships. It is also a fact that last year Boston was very fortunate to overcome a 0-3 deficit and win four straight games. If you are trying to keep count, and I were a Boston RedSox fan, I would not be bragging too much because a RedSox fan has only one point to brag about, while the Yankees fans have more than I can remember (but I am sure they can remember).
I am not hypocritical, I just think RedSox fans should be proud of their team's accomplishment from last year and move on. If they want to rub it in the face of Yankees fans, they should be prepared for the return of serve.
Now there is the saying that goes 'what have you done for me lately', and as a yankee fan, I'd be questioning why are they spending all this money on payroll and still not winning a world series in 5 years? Just seems odd that as the yankees outspending the rest of the league by more and more, they seem to be winning less and less world series.
I guess you can only burn off your young talent from the farm system for so long before it catches up with you?
I guess it all perspective. I would be thrilled to see the REDS in a playoff game again. It has been a very long time for them.
The Red Sox will remember this. They are all huddled in the woodshed tonight with their "C" and Catsup Sock.
During the preseason ARod was ridiculed by multiple Red Sox players. To his credit, he has kept his mouth shut and answered with his bat and glove. In my opinion, he has done enough this series to break the "tie" for the MVP vote, if there even was one. Tomorrow he will do more.
<< <i>You too funny. I will have to find your posts that said the Yankees were not going to make the playoffs. >>
You do that, Spammy. While you're at it, go find my pictures of the WS tickets and the Pat's game via google
It was BLOOD and Schilling gave his all. Have some respect already!
<< <i><< They are all huddled in the woodshed tonight with their "C" and Catsup Sock. >>
It was BLOOD and Schilling gave his all. Have some respect already! >>
Spammy doesn't know what it's like to have a player give his heart and soul to play the game, since 'his' team is loaded with mercenaries playing for the dollar, and not the love of the game, so it burns him up that Schilling and his heart crushed the yankees last year.
Spammy *hearts* Schilling.
Oh, asterisks are fancy stuff.
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But, It ain't over untill the "fat lady" sings. The division means nothing. It's a glass of cheer. Playoffs ahead...Sox loom again if they can keep it together.
Now if Yanks went on to win with Kevin Brown, Jarret Wright, and Carl Pavano we would hear that the Yanks bought up all the good pitching in the league and blah blah blah.
Yanks SCRAPED together a pitching staff...Wang from the minors, Small who has been a journeyman with 7 or 8 teams and was calling it quits after this year, and Chacon who Colorado couldnt WAIT to get rid of! There were days the Yanks didnt knowwho was going to pitch! In fact, they even grabbed up Tim Redding who was blasted in his only game and was released the very next day. You could say that Yanks have had 2 top starters like many other teams in Johnson and Mussina.
Lets also not forget that the Red Sox are the best offensive team in the league too so no whining or excuses!
Money isnt buying the playoffs. In fact, if you were to add up the salries of the current active Yankees staff I would guess that it isnt too much different than the Red Sox current active staff. I didnt actually do the calculations but Im sure I'll get blasted for that statement anyway. Did anyone actually think that picking up Tony Womack was such a great deal? Please let the Mariners have him!
Also, there is NO question that ARod has proven himself to be a Yankee. I agree that ARod has been a class act when it comes to all the badmouthing he gets from Red Sox fans and players. The unprofessionalism of the outspoken Red Sox players is disgusting. Fans can say what they want.
If the Red Sox end up in the playoffs with the Yanks, I'll enjoy the rivalry once again. And of course I hope the Yanks prevail.
What ever any of the Yankees Haters say, this team has heart( unlike last year). EVERY team would give their left nut to have Jeter as their leader...and yes, he is a leader. Saying Jeter isnt a leader is like me trying to convince anyone that Varitek isnt the leader of the Red Sox.
GO YANKEES!
<< <i> You too funny. I will have to find your posts that said the Yankees were not going to make the playoffs. >>
You do that, Spammy. While you're at it, go find my pictures of the WS tickets and the Pat's game via google
<< <i> EVERY team would give their left nut to have Jeter as their leader...and yes, he is a leader. Saying Jeter isnt a leader is like me trying to convince anyone that Varitek isnt the leader of the Red Sox.
GO YANKEES! >>
hahaha Jeter is their leader? yeah, he sure shows it.
As far as 'buying' championships, let me ask you, how many other teams could spend $100 million kevin brown's contract, then, when that turns into a bust, afford to spend millions and millions more buying players to try to fix it?
The yankees are able to buy their way out of mistake after mistake they make with their payroll...THAT'S buying a championship. All these other teams that make a big mistake in spending money (my mariners and Beltre, for example) don't have the resources to go out and buy another player to replace him.
Anyone who doesn't think that is obviously a blinded yankee 'fan' who loves their team has a financial advantage EVERY year.
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<< <i> EVERY team would give their left nut to have Jeter as their leader...and yes, he is a leader. Saying Jeter isnt a leader is like me trying to convince anyone that Varitek isnt the leader of the Red Sox.
GO YANKEES! >>
hahaha Jeter is their leader? yeah, he sure shows it.
As far as 'buying' championships, let me ask you, how many other teams could spend $100 million kevin brown's contract, then, when that turns into a bust, afford to spend millions and millions more buying players to try to fix it?
The yankees are able to buy their way out of mistake after mistake they make with their payroll...THAT'S buying a championship. All these other teams that make a big mistake in spending money (my mariners and Beltre, for example) don't have the resources to go out and buy another player to replace him.
Anyone who doesn't think that is obviously a blinded yankee 'fan' who loves their team has a financial advantage EVERY year. >>
I actually agree with you on smoething!!
<< <i>As far as 'buying' championships, let me ask you, how many other teams could spend $100 million kevin brown's contract, then, when that turns into a bust, afford to spend millions and millions more buying players to try to fix it?
The yankees are able to buy their way out of mistake after mistake they make with their payroll...THAT'S buying a championship. All these other teams that make a big mistake in spending money (my mariners and Beltre, for example) don't have the resources to go out and buy another player to replace him.
Anyone who doesn't think that is obviously a blinded yankee 'fan' who loves their team has a financial advantage EVERY year. >>
Spin that Yankee fan.
Did they spend millions on Wang? Chacon? Small? Cano? Who are they spending these millions on to cover the mistakes? Chacon was basically a give-away from the Rockies. Matt Lawton? Certainly not him either. He hardly even plays. Im just not seeing where the millions have been spent on replacing injured players or other mistakes.
If you talk about ARod salary, Yanks are paying less for ARod than they are for Jeter...Texas is still picking up most of that tab.
What are all YOUR teams doing to make themselves better? Crying poverty? That's crap. What are they doing with the millions in the profit sharing that they get from the Yanks alone? Red Sox are spending it...but like the Yanks, players still have to perform. Same with the Orioles and Angels, they are spending it too. The amount a team spends is a weak arguement. Its been proven year in, year out. The blinders allow the owners to pocket the money and create all the sour, angry, jealous fans.
100% agreement. You earn my stamp of approval!!!!
<< <i>Did they spend millions on Wang? Chacon? Small? Cano? Who are they spending these millions on to cover the mistakes? Chacon was basically a give-away from the Rockies. Matt Lawton? Certainly not him either. He hardly even plays. Im just not seeing where the millions have been spent on replacing injured players or other mistakes. >>
My point is that any other team that paid $18 million in salary for Bernie, who was miserable in both the field and the plate this year, they'd be in a world of hurt. What about the $100 million man Kevin Brown? How many teams could afford that ONE mistake, let alone both? And Jeter, while a solid player, is he really worth $17, $18 million in salary?
You are missing the point entirely. You are missing the point that these enormous personnel mistakes are smoothed over by having no limit when it comes to payroll. You seem to think the yankee executives are brilliant when all they are is unendingly rich.
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If you talk about ARod salary, Yanks are paying less for ARod than they are for Jeter...Texas is still picking up most of that tab.
What are all YOUR teams doing to make themselves better? Crying poverty? That's crap. What are they doing with the millions in the profit sharing that they get from the Yanks alone? Red Sox are spending it...but like the Yanks, players still have to perform. Same with the Orioles and Angels, they are spending it too. The amount a team spends is a weak arguement. Its been proven year in, year out. The blinders allow the owners to pocket the money and create all the sour, angry, jealous fans. >>
If I were a team like the Devil Rays, I have 2 choices: I can either (a) spend $85 million and be a .500 team, or (b) spend $40 million and be a .400 team and put the $45 million in my pocket. What's the difference? I am in a division with $200 million and $135 million, so what's my responsibility? I am a wealthy business owner not from pumping money into a losing proposition, I am wealthy from making good decisions.
The yankees get HOW much from their cable TV deal, which they reap simply because they live in the biggest media market in the US?
Why don't you look at how teams spend money in the NFL, and tell me the Giants (in the same media market) have they been able to dominate? The yankees don't have better people spotting talent, they don't have anything better other than the seemingly infinite ability to spend money.
Put a salary cap and revenue sharing in baseball, and the yankees would be mediocre at best.
From what you are saying, which this just may be the case....the Yankees are paying TOO much for their talent...and am I wrong saying your point is paying TOO much for MEDIOCRE talent?
So, the Yanks overpay their ball players because they have the money. Doesnt this prove the point that it doesnt matter how much the Yanks spend? Players still have to perform. So if their talent is mediocre then it should not be difficult for other teams to compete against them...and compete successfully. Deny it all you want...this team is cohesive and has heart.
The Yankees have millions of unused dollars on the DL...but where are the players making the millions (AND MILLIONS!) of dollars to cover these guys?
I never said that the Yankee executives were brilliant...I think they are just the opposite...Kevin Brown? Carl Pavano? Tony Womack? I dont call those moves brilliant at all.
Your Devil Rays point is well taken and I agree completely....owners are CHOOSING not to be more competitive...thats what is creating the sour, angy, and jealous fans. Thank you for strengthening my point! We all know that if you put a better team on the field then attendance will go up, concessions go up, and the money can be made. They are owners interested in the easy buck and do not have the interest of the fans...and in my opinion, no interest in the success of MLB.
Are you saying that the Mariners can't create their own sports network? Sure they can. Could they make money doing it? Sure they could. There are so many avenues where money can be made...its up to them to make it happen.
And the NFL comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are completely different animals. And the only reason the NHL has a salary cap is because they cant put enough butts in the seats! The NHL would be the closest comparison because of the amount of games that create the income. In fact, that works similar to the NFL...limited amount of games to create income so they have to claw for other revenues.
<< <i>Your Devil Rays point is well taken and I agree completely....owners are CHOOSING not to be more competitive...thats what is creating the sour, angy, and jealous fans. Thank you for strengthening my point! We all know that if you put a better team on the field then attendance will go up, concessions go up, and the money can be made. They are owners interested in the easy buck and do not have the interest of the fans...and in my opinion, no interest in the success of MLB. >>
I think that you are completely wrong on this point. Who would want to go see a .500 club? Seriously? Even if they did unload and spend $50 million more, there's really no way they could ever compete in that division. I applaud the owners for being fiscally sound.
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Are you saying that the Mariners can't create their own sports network? Sure they can. Could they make money doing it? Sure they could. There are so many avenues where money can be made...its up to them to make it happen. >>
Again you're wrong...so the Mariners create their own sports network...Seattle is where exactly in numbers for media markets? Come on, you're really grasping at straws.
A salary cap would bring competitive balance back to baseball, and would force greedy owners like Steinbrenner to rethink their strategies of selling every piece of the yankees' soul for revenue dollars. 'Sony - the official LCD tv of the yankees!' and all that crap would likely be gone. Is that a bad thing?
<< <i>Baseball needs a true Salary Cap like other sports >>
Did you even think about that statement before you blurted it out? The New York Yankees confined by a salaray cap would be the New York Rangers.
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<< <i>Baseball needs a true Salary Cap like other sports >>
Did you even think about that statement before you blurted it out? The New York Yankees confined by a salaray cap would be the New York Rangers.
Tell me how that would be a bad thing?
Of course you have to be financially sound...but at what point are the owners just being greedy and not really caring if the team is successful or not?
Im sure your point is a weak attempt to have any kind of arguement from the point I made. Financially sound....crap. Do you want your team to be financially sound or do you want to watch a winning club? What is going to get you to buy a ticket or that jersey?
As far as the network goes...I think its only meant for the tri-state area. You mean to tell me that a local network such as YES wouldnt make it in Seattle? I really have no idea what the population is in that area but I dont see any reason why a sports network dedicated to Seattle couldnt work. I think having the Mariners, Supersonics, and Seahawks tells it all. It's a city large enough to support 3 major sports teams...I think it would be cake to create a sports network dedicated to the Seattle teams.
I think the anger and jealousy is proof enough to what happens to fans that dont get the satisifaction of winning clubs. To say they dont have the means is rediculous. If they dont have the means then its only by the cause of ownership. Just ask the Montreal Expos. In the 80s the place was always packed because they spent the money putting great teams on the field. Once that stopped and they gave away their good players until the franchise fell apart with no salvation. Now they are the Wathington Nationals. THAT is what happens when you have owners that dont care and you turn your back on the fans.
So go ahead and stick up for the greedy owners. THAT is what will ruin teams and make the franchise sink to embarassment. Thankfully I am a fan of a team who's ownership cares about winning.