Len Bias
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Anybody notice they are selling some of his stuff on the Heritage Auction website. Whine about only 11 years of Munson, I would have taken that with Bias. Too bad
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Incidentally, Bias' death is the direct cause of stringent drug policies in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. So without his death, we probably would have never known about Lawrence Taylor, Strawberry, Gooden, Howe, and everybody else who tested positive. Also, there'd probably have been a lot more athletes that got hooked because the drug policies were so soft.
Lee
Lee
-right next to the "coke" machine
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<< <i>Bias got what he deserved. So did Chris Washburn, Kate Moss, Downey Jr., you name them. I have no sympathy for druggies, going to make or making big money. Stop defending them. >>
Let's just say here in Boston, we share the same thought
Lee
But on the other hand, to say
They know the risks, but they choose to ignore them and roll the dice. Doesn't mean they deserve it.
Makes no sense. To me at least, that's in fact exactly what it means. Yes, smokers deserve to get lung cancer etc. Guy smokes, guy gets lung cancer, smoking causes cancer, yup, he deserved to get cancer. Although maybe "deserve" isn't the right word. But it certainly is a reasonably expected outcome, and the person deserves no sympathy for ending up that way - And by that I don't mean he deserves no love, or compassion, and should just die.
Anyways, RipublicaninMass, you should've left the other joke up there. It was by far the more funny of the two... And in the end, the biggest tragedy about Lenny was his death prevented Larry from winning at least two more championships before he retired.
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Anyways, RipublicaninMass, you should've left the other joke up there. It was by far the more funny of the two... And in the end, the biggest tragedy about Lenny was his death prevented Larry from winning at least two more championships before he retired. >>
I actually felt sorry for offending stingray my bad. I will be glad to PM anyone who would like the other joke.
Lee
dont do drugs..
there will be more for me..
Lee
I'm admittedly guilty of it myself all the time. I had a pseudo vigil the night after Sinatra died, at which I bought a nice bottle of Glen Livet Special Reserve (having never drank scotch before)....and haven't stopped drinking scotch since. Damn you Frank.
No.
However, despite some of my previous posts, I in fact do not wish death upon my dear friend pandrews, nor would any compassionate person assert that someone deserves to die.
However, were he to die of a massive drug overdose, one would have a hard time convincing me that he was undeserving of that fate.. There's a difference.
Dave
Anybody want to talk about Harris Agganis now? Now that was a real tragedy.
Lee
I need to see Allen's signature at a time like this...
<< <i>I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too. >>
I love that line. That being said this is an arguement where no one will sway the other side. People who think drugs are the ultimate evil and you deserve to pay the ultimate price of you do them will not back off their stance. People who have done drugs or condone the recreational use will never sway from that because they took the chance does not mean they deserved the negative consequences. Its just the way it is. I think you would have an easier time convincing Charlton Heston that he should not have the right to bear arms. Or better yet try convincing Jesse Jackson that everything isn't a race issue. There are just some beliefs that you cannot change in an individual.
I have not done drugs... well real drugs anyways. However I do condone the recreational use if someone so chooses to indulge however I do feel they should understand the consequences going into it. If those unfortunate events happen I do feel sorry for the person and I do not feel that they deserved it.
I think it is a tragedy about Len Bias and anyone for that matter who overdoses. It is an ugly scene and not one that should be wished upon anyone.
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lol.. wouldnt be the first time somebody told me i should die..
and i thought i was gonna die one night when i was on some really good (maybe bad) shrooms..
Despite the fact that I just now vehemently disagreed with you on another thread (see you over there in a moment), I agree with everything you just wrote here (except the part about condoning recreational drug use).
<< <i>Wow... >>
Wow indeed.
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<< <i>Bias got what he deserved. So did Chris Washburn, Kate Moss, Downey Jr., you name them. I have no sympathy for druggies, going to make or making big money. Stop defending them. >>
I actually agree with this. Despite growing up in the 70s and spending a majority of the 80s in college, I never ever did drugs. Anyone who justifies doing drugs because it was "popular" is sick, imo. I firmly believe in consequences of actions.
40,000+ Americans die every year in automobile accidents. You know the risk. Now if any of you crash and burn any time soon, I guess you had it comin'.
Gimme a break.
Shawn.
Punishment is one thing, but DEATH for cocaine? So the experimental drug user, curious about sex teenager, car prowl kid who gets shot by the owner, etc. are on par with serial killers who also deserve to DIE?
I'm not coming from a throwing daisies and singing "It's a Small World After All" perspective, but I've found that those who are quick to play judge and jury tend to be generally hard lined about everything. Our strong dislike for someone is generally a reflection of what we don't like about ourselves.
Maryland Basketball Star Len Bias Is Dead at 22
Traces of Cocaine Found in System
By Keith Harriston and Sally Jenkins
Washington Post Staff Writers
June 20, 1986
University of Maryland all-America basketball player Len Bias collapsed in his dormitory suite early yesterday morning and two hours later was pronounced dead of cardiac arrest at Leland Memorial Hospital in Riverdale.
Evidence of cocaine was found in a urine sample taken at the hospital as an emergency medical team labored from 6:50 to 8:50 a.m. to revive him, police sources said. Maj. James Ross, head of criminal investigations for Prince George's County police, said even if cocaine had been detected, it would not be possible to tell if that had contributed to Bias' death without further tests.
Medical experts said sudden cardiac arrest in a 22-year-old in apparent top physical shape could have been caused by cocaine, by a heart ailment that even frequent examinations might have missed, or by a combination of the two.
Sources said Bias passed a physical—including a urinalysis to test for drugs—administered May 27 by the Boston Celtics, who Tuesday made him the No. 2 overall pick in the National Basketball Association draft. Bias showed no sign of a heart ailment in yearly team physicals, including a special study to look for hidden heart disease, and no evidence of drug use in urine tests late last season, according to University of Maryland physicians.
From interviews with Bias' family, teammates and friends, a picture of his last hours emerges: He flew in from Boston with his father, went to the family home in landover about 11 p.m., arrived at College Park around midnight, ate crabs in his dormitory suite with teammates and a member of the football team until about 2 a.m., drove off alone and was seen at an off-campus gathering, and returned to his dorm about 3 a.m. He collapsed some time after 6 a.m., while talking with teammate Terry Long.
Bias was unconscious and was not breathing when county ambulance attendants arrived at his dormitory suite at 6:36 a.m.—four minutes after they were called and six minutes before a mobile intensive care unit arrived—and he never regained consciousness nor breathed on his own, said Dr. Edward Wilson, chief emergency room physician at Leland Memorial.
Bias's body was taken to the state medical examiner's office in Baltimore yesterday for an autopsy. Dr. John E. Smialek, Maryland's chief medical examier, said it would be seven to 10 days before complete autopsy results are obtained.
"We are not releasing any preliminary results,' said Smialek. "We will wait until everything is properly evaluated."
The county's homicide unit is investigating, as is routine, but a spokesman sad no foul play is suspected. All five teammates who shared the suite with Bias will be questioned, Detective Paul Noblitt said. Keith Gatlin was taken in shortly after 11 o'clock last night.
Bias' sister Michelle said she was told her brother was talking with Long on a couch in their dormitory suite in Washington Hall when he collapsed. A fire department spokesman, Maj. Thomas Brinkley, said Long was administering cardiopulmonary resuscitation when the county ambulance arrived. It could not be determined who placed the call for assistance.
"He was sitting on the couch with Terry Long," said Michelle Bias, who was not at the dorm, "and he laid back like he was going to sleep and he started to have a seizure."
Details of what Bias did between midnight and 6:30 a.m. were vague. His sister said Bias and their father, James, flew in from Boston and drove directly to their home in Landover. "He (Bias) left home at 11:30 p.m. to go back to the dorm," Michelle Bias said.
Keeta Covington, a defensive back on the Maryland football team, said he was in the dorm suite when Bias arrived. Covington said he, Long, Bias and basketball players Gatlin, David Gregg and Jeff Baxter ate crabs and talked about the Celtics and Bias' future until about 2 a.m. at which point Bias left.
"He got tired of all the questions," Covington said. "He'd had microphones in his face for two days. We were just like the reporters. We were curious, only without pencils and microphones."
Covington said he walked with Bias to the parking lot, where he said Bias told him "I'm getting away from here." Covington placed the time at "2 or 2:15."
Covington said Bias was merely tired of all the attention, not ill. "As far as feeling sick, bad—nothing," he said. "He was trying to get away from the phone."
Bias drove off alone in his newly purchased Nissan 300ZX, Covington said. "I was under the impression he was going to see a lady," he said.
David Driggers, a friend with whom Bias often played pickup basketball games, said he saw Bias at a small gathering on Cherry Hill just off campus. "He stopped by and said how excited he was and talked for a while," Driggers said.
Driggers said there was no alcohol or drugs at the gathering. "Just soda," he said.
Driggers placed Bias at the party "around 2, 2:30," and Covington was quoted as saying Bias returned to campus about an hour after his departure—which would have been about 3 a.m.
What happened between then and the time of Bias' collapse in the suite (shared by him, Baxter, Long, Gatlin, Gregg and teammate Phil Nevin) could not be determined. Long was not available to comment and Gregg declined to discuss it.
Nevin said he was out for most of the night and early morning, and when he returned he immediately went to bed, without seeing anyone. He said he awoke when the paramedics were taking Bias out.
Asked if he had seen any evidence of drug use, Nevin said, "I didn't see anything, but the police are going through it (the suite) with a fine-tooth comb."
Baxter and Gatlin both said they fell asleep earlier in the evening, and Gatlin said when he awoke he saw Bias on the floor and paramedics in attendance.
"I was in a state of shock," Gatlin said. "I was worried about Lenny, he was on the floor. All my teammates and I just rushed up, got dressed, shorts or anything, and followed him to the hospital. I called his mother and just told her that Len had a seizure and they were taking him to the hospital, and she said, 'Okay, I'm going.'"
Neither of Bias' parents was available for comment yesterday.
At the hospital, Wilson said Bias "was unconscious . . . he never spontaneously began breating on his own. He had no organized heartbeat."
Wilson said Bias was given five drugs in an attempt to revive him: sodium epinephrine (which he described as "basically adrenaline"), sodium bicarbonate (to normalize the acidity in his bloodstream), lidocaine (to control hyperactivity and any irregular heartbeat), calcium (to stimulate the heart muscle) and bretyline (a "secondary drug to control irregularity of the heart").
After the chemicals failed, Wilson said, a pacemaker was implanted in the heart muscle to try to get it beating. That also failed, he said.
Outside the hospital, Reginald Adams, a friend of Bias' and a player at Drexel University in Philadelphia, said he received a phone call at 7:30 a.m. from a mutual friend who said she was with Bias when he was stricken. "The only thing she said was he had problems breathing. He was breathing hard, getting cramps, then he just keeled over."
The woman's identity could not be determined.
In the medical examiner's office in Baltimore, Smialek said only the "initial phase" of the postmortem was completed.
Smialek said he had heard reports the hospital had found traces of cocaine in Bias' urine, but refused to say whether the medical examiner's office had found anything to suggest drug involvement.
"We obtained some of the urine sample that the hospital got and we are in the process of testing it, along with other samples obtained during the autopsy," said Smialek. "I'm not going to give any preliminary indication of anything so there are no misconceptions."
Washington Post staff writers Sandra Bailey, Tom Kenworthy, Eugene L. Meyer, Ed Nicklas and Dave Sell contributed to this report.
<< <i>Look, saying someone "deserved" to die sounds bad.
But on the other hand, to say
They know the risks, but they choose to ignore them and roll the dice. Doesn't mean they deserve it.
Makes no sense. To me at least, that's in fact exactly what it means. Yes, smokers deserve to get lung cancer etc. Guy smokes, guy gets lung cancer, smoking causes cancer, yup, he deserved to get cancer. Although maybe "deserve" isn't the right word. But it certainly is a reasonably expected outcome, and the person deserves no sympathy for ending up that way - And by that I don't mean he deserves no love, or compassion, and should just die.
Anyways, RipublicaninMass, you should've left the other joke up there. It was by far the more funny of the two... And in the end, the biggest tragedy about Lenny was his death prevented Larry from winning at least two more championships before he retired. >>
The things you compare make no sense in my opinion. Smoking to breast cancer? Smoking is an active choice and breast cancer is not; they don't compare. Your 9/11 theory is totally inane and has basically no application here that I can see!? OR maybe I am just not smart enough to get your brillant points!? Lots of threats too!? Why the anger Frolico? As Frankie said, "RELAX!"