JM, That's one ugly 9 and further reinforces what we already know. On any given day, PSA just doesn't know the difference between a PSA 8 and a PSA 10.
ok, damn.. since DBH is no longer doing his job, please allow me to refresh him on some points i'm sure he's already aware of..
DBH, how can you say PSA doesnt know the difference in an 8 or 9? It's THEIR grading standards, and they're the ones who assigned the grade! The slab clearly says it's a 9, so without a doubt it's a PSA 9..
remember guys, it's all about "Eye Appeal".. evidently that card appealed to the grader (the pro),and the graders at PSA are obviously a better judge of "eye appeal" than any of us collectors, since everybody here seems to think that card is fugly..
The Importance of Eye-Appeal and Subjectivity in Grading
Over the years, more and more collectors have come to understand the basic guidelines behind PSA grading. After grading for well over a decade, PSA grading standards have truly become the official standard for the most valuable cards in the hobby. That being said, there are a host of grading questions that arise and the one basic question that comes up the most has to do with eye-appeal and centering...
Again, the vast majority of grading is applied with a basic, objective standard but no one can ignore the small (yet sometimes significant) subjective element. This issue will usually arise when centering and/or eye-appeal are in question. For example, while most cards fall clearly within the centering guidelines for a particular grade, some cards fall either just within or just outside the printed centering standards. The key point to remember is that the graders reserve the right, based on the strength or weakness of the eye-appeal, to make a judgment call on the grade of a particular card.
What does this mean exactly?
Well, take this example. Let's say you have a 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax rookie card that is right on the edge of the acceptable guidelines for centering in a particular grade. The 1955 Koufax card has a yellow background that tends to blend with the border of the card. In other words, the contrast isn't great so poor centering may not be much of an eyesore - the borders are not clearly defined. In this case, if the card exhibits extremely strong characteristics in other areas (color, corners, etc.), an exception may be made to allow an otherwise slightly off-center card to fall within an unqualified grade (no OC qualifier). This is a rare occurrence but it does happen.
On the other hand, there are cards that technically fall within the printed PSA Grading Standards that may be prevented from reaching a particular, unqualified grade because the eye-appeal becomes an issue. For example, a 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax card has great contrast between the white borders and the picture because the background is very dark. It is possible that a 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax, one that technically measures for a particular grade - let's say 70/30, may be prevented from reaching that unqualified grade because the market would view that card as off-center - based on eye-appeal issues. Again, this is a rare occurrence but it does happen from time to time when a judgment call has to be made on a card that pushes the limits for centering.
In conclusion, the issues discussed do not apply to the vast majority of cards that filter through the PSA grading process each day but this is an issue that needed some clarification in the marketplace. The bottom line is that there are times when a PSA grader must make a call on a card that falls on the line between two grades and that final determination is made based on experience, eye-appeal and market acceptability.
Whatever you say man -- that is one ugly card. Let's see if it commands a PSA 9 price.
Also, there is no room for a "judgment call" on this particular card. T/B centering is NOT 70/30, it's more like 90/10 at best...It is impossible to justify this card's grade based on eye appeal.
BTW, I recently had a horrible transaction with this incompetent and shady seller...
<< <i>JM, That's one ugly 9 and further reinforces what we already know. On any given day, PSA just doesn't know the difference between a PSA 8 and a PSA 10. >>
DBH, you wouldn't guess what my PSA 8 1993 REF of Bob Tewksbury (SP card) just got graded a few days ago when I resubmitted it...
Care to take a stab at it? I've got cert. #s to back it up!!!
I would have to take a look at some scans of the Tewksbury before taking a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if it came back a 7 and wouldn't be surprised if it came back a 10.
I think it's important to keep in mind that the TRAINED and CERTIFIED professionals at PSA are the experts on the set, not your or I. They've graded more refractors in one week that we've seen in our lifetime, so I'm sure after spending 10-15 minutes examining the Tewksbury and conferring with other graders, they were better able to judge the true grade.
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DBH, how can you say PSA doesnt know the difference in an 8 or 9? It's THEIR grading standards, and they're the ones who assigned the grade! The slab clearly says it's a 9, so without a doubt it's a PSA 9..
remember guys, it's all about "Eye Appeal".. evidently that card appealed to the grader (the pro),and the graders at PSA are obviously a better judge of "eye appeal" than any of us collectors, since everybody here seems to think that card is fugly..
LINK <--taken from this page
The Importance of Eye-Appeal and Subjectivity in Grading
Over the years, more and more collectors have come to understand the basic guidelines behind PSA grading. After grading for well over a decade, PSA grading standards have truly become the official standard for the most valuable cards in the hobby. That being said, there are a host of grading questions that arise and the one basic question that comes up the most has to do with eye-appeal and centering...
Again, the vast majority of grading is applied with a basic, objective standard but no one can ignore the small (yet sometimes significant) subjective element. This issue will usually arise when centering and/or eye-appeal are in question. For example, while most cards fall clearly within the centering guidelines for a particular grade, some cards fall either just within or just outside the printed centering standards. The key point to remember is that the graders reserve the right, based on the strength or weakness of the eye-appeal, to make a judgment call on the grade of a particular card.
What does this mean exactly?
Well, take this example. Let's say you have a 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax rookie card that is right on the edge of the acceptable guidelines for centering in a particular grade. The 1955 Koufax card has a yellow background that tends to blend with the border of the card. In other words, the contrast isn't great so poor centering may not be much of an eyesore - the borders are not clearly defined. In this case, if the card exhibits extremely strong characteristics in other areas (color, corners, etc.), an exception may be made to allow an otherwise slightly off-center card to fall within an unqualified grade (no OC qualifier). This is a rare occurrence but it does happen.
On the other hand, there are cards that technically fall within the printed PSA Grading Standards that may be prevented from reaching a particular, unqualified grade because the eye-appeal becomes an issue. For example, a 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax card has great contrast between the white borders and the picture because the background is very dark. It is possible that a 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax, one that technically measures for a particular grade - let's say 70/30, may be prevented from reaching that unqualified grade because the market would view that card as off-center - based on eye-appeal issues. Again, this is a rare occurrence but it does happen from time to time when a judgment call has to be made on a card that pushes the limits for centering.
In conclusion, the issues discussed do not apply to the vast majority of cards that filter through the PSA grading process each day but this is an issue that needed some clarification in the marketplace. The bottom line is that there are times when a PSA grader must make a call on a card that falls on the line between two grades and that final determination is made based on experience, eye-appeal and market acceptability.
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Whatever you say man -- that is one ugly card. Let's see if it commands a PSA 9 price.
Also, there is no room for a "judgment call" on this particular card. T/B centering is NOT 70/30, it's more like 90/10 at best...It is impossible to justify this card's grade based on eye appeal.
BTW, I recently had a horrible transaction with this incompetent and shady seller...
<< <i>JM, That's one ugly 9 and further reinforces what we already know. On any given day, PSA just doesn't know the difference between a PSA 8 and a PSA 10. >>
DBH, you wouldn't guess what my PSA 8 1993 REF of Bob Tewksbury (SP card) just got graded a few days ago when I resubmitted it...
Care to take a stab at it? I've got cert. #s to back it up!!!
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From the same submission, 4 x 8's went to --> 4 x 9's !!!
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