1980's Cardinals Question

frankhardy

I am 30 years old. I started listening to the Cardinals on the radio the year they won it in 1982. I was 7 years old. I remember back when I first started listening to the radio, it was Jack Buck and Mike Shannon. Here is the question. For a couple of years (up until at least 1984) there was one more man doing the announcing with Buck and Shannon. His name was "Red" something. No, I don't believe that it was Schoendienst, because I would remember that. Does anybody remember the guy's name?

coinkat

I believe Red Schoendienst was the manager in the 1960's

WinPitcher

Red was the MGR from 65 thru 76 then again in 1980 and again in 1990.

I have no idea who the announcer was though.


SD

coinkat

I guess I forgot about the 1980's. He was an excellent manager

WinPitcher

Coin you didn't forget, he was named manager after the season began those 2 yrs. Possibly taking over for a fired manager?




Now the question is who did he take over for those 2 years?

and to stay on topic who was the announcer named RED?


My guess is Torre and Rapp? as for Red i still dunno.

Steve

frankhardy

I know all about Red Schoendienst being the manager in the 60's and briefly in 1990 (I think). He took over for Joe Torre for like half a season. I was just wondering the name of the announcer. His name was Red something.

Cubby

For some strange reason the name Red Kelly rings a bell.

DirtyHarry

An educated guess - it may have been Red Barber. He was a Yankee broadcaster prior to this...and a pro at he end of his career.

frankhardy

I don't think it was Barber or Kelly. I remember at the end of every game, Jack Buck would do the credits, and he would say something like this, "For Mike Shannon and Red ____, this is Jack Buck saying, 'so long' from the ballpark." As my mind plays it back, it sounded like he was saying, "Red 'Rush' or 'Roush' (?).

bishop

I do not remember a "Red". Carrey left after the 69 season and then it was Buck and I think Jim Woods. Shannon came on, I think, in 1972. I think there was a guy by the name of Rob Capenter as well.

denwd1

frankhardy when i first read this thread i was going to say red rush. but i didn't think he was still doing games into the 1980's. he did the chicago white sox radio back in 1967 and then he was replaced in 1968 by milo hamilton (who still to this day does houston astros radio) i think red rush's style was much like milo hamilton but i might have thought milo was red(i was 13). but yes indeed there was a red rush. milo did the cubs radio back in the early 80's and when jack brickhouse steped down after doing cubs on tv fo 35 years,milo thought the job was his....enter harry carey....say goodbye milo. milo and harry hated each other for the next 15 years till harry's death.

frankhardy

If there was a Red Rush doing baseball games, then that must have been him. After you posted your reply, I did some research on the web. You can go to any teams website on MLB.com and see all of the teams current and former broadcasters. Red Rush was on some team's, but not listed on the Cardinals. It must have been an oversight, or he may not have did enough games.

Cubfan

I would be very surprised if it was actually Red Rush as he was probably older than Brickhouse when he was doing the Chicago sports.

Good memories denwd. I remember that entire Milo fiasco as well. I remember Brickhouse saying that he had no idea that the Cubs would hire someone OLDER than him when he retired . To this day I say Hey Hey and about 30 other Brickhouse-isms when I watch baseball. Those were the days with Brickhouse, Lloyd Pettit, Vince Lloyd, Lou Boudreau, Jim West and Milo Hamilton. I always liked Duane Staats too when he was in Chicago.

frankhardy

Cubfan,

Look at what I said a couple of posts up. I'm almost sure he said "Red Rush." Remember, though, that was only maybe for a year or two. I wish this could be confirmed so how. This is just one of those small things that I have wondered about ever since.

superstar797

I also grew up listening to Buck and Shannon in the 80's, one of the best announcing pairs ever. I don't remember anyone else in the booth with them, is there a chance that Red could have been the producer or something? I know that when Shannon signs off now he says "For Wayne Hagin and Jim Jackson (the show's producer) I hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed bringing it too you."

frankhardy

That is a possibility and very good point. I just don't think so though because I remember Jack referring to Red talking to Red during the broadcast.

Here is what brought all of this up. This week (Saturday, I think) on the TV broadcast (WB 11) with Bob Carpenter and Rick Horton, they brought up the game in 1984 when Rick Horton had a no hitter through something like 8 innings against the Padres. Kevin McReynolds broke up the no hitter. During the broadcast, they found the audio clip and played it. The brilliant Jack Buck said something like this - "If anybody is going to break up this no hitter, it's this guy Kevin McReynolds." And sure enough, he broke it up. After he got the hit, I hear Jack distinctley refer to and speak to "Red." He said something like, "Isn't that right, Red."

That is what brought all of this up in my mind, and I've just been wondering about it.

By the way, superstar797, welcome aboard.

denwd1

my initial reaction was the same as cubfan,thinking rush would be too old.but after looking at his pic in the chisox 67 yearbook...he still has hair and it's brown,he looks to be 55-60 years old.remember cubfan we were a lot younger then and people in their 40's looked older too.so i think it could be red rush. yes i miss the old cub announcers.they used to make that 1 appearance at 70's night and chip and stone would let them do an inning or 2....but now i believe they are all dead vince,lou,jack and i think lloyd too boy i miss those guys(and i'll add i miss chip and stone too!)

coachh

According to the cardinals website, the broadcasters in 1984 were:

Mike Shannon
Jack Buck
Bob Carpenter
Jay Randolph
Dan Kelly

I wonder if RED was a stat keeper in the booth. I know that Jack and Mike used extras to help keep stats.

DirtyHarry

Frankhardy - chalk this up to the imaginary figure in the pressbox - redbird.

frankhardy

No, no, no! That's FRED-BIRD!