POLISHED DIES- DO THE STRIATIONS DETRACT?

bolivarshagnasty · September 7, 2005 5:07AM

Anyone familiar with how the marks left on a coin from die polishing affect the grade? It's seems that PCGS may downgrade because of this occurance.
Any comments on this subject?

Cladiator · September 7, 2005 5:09AM

die polish lines are cool in my book.

mdwoods · September 7, 2005 5:17AM

As long as there aren't a ton of them I don't think they detract.

Wolf359 · September 7, 2005 5:17AM

As I understand it polishing lines won't affect grading except maybe the MS67/68 level where
perfection on the planchet becomes ever more important.

If I make some 67/68 Morgans...I'll let you know more

mgoodm3 · September 7, 2005 5:20AM

I don't like them much on proof or PL surfaces.

poorguy · September 7, 2005 5:20AM

I find that they can be a big distraction especially on DMPL and PL morgans and on cameo pattern coins. The ones that really bother me are the die polish lines on pieces that disrupt the mirrors to the point that the surface isn't watery and deep anymore.

Cladiator · September 7, 2005 5:21AM

I've had 67's with pretty severe die polish lines. No 68's though.

moneyhungry · September 7, 2005 5:46AM

WELCOME to the Forum........... bolivarshagnasty !!!

Terri

CarlWohlforth · September 7, 2005 5:48AM

Mercury dimes often have die polish lines. I've seen many in the 66-67 range that have them.

dorkkarl · September 7, 2005 6:10AM

i luv die striations, but too many collectors who try to reach some fictitious level of antiseptic, machine-like "perfection" will frown upon them.

i'd say overall, they can knock a grade, but certainly never help it. nonetheless, i luv 'em because they are part of the handicraft of the manufacturing process.

K S

coinrookie · September 7, 2005 6:37AM

I have a couple of Swiss sp67 and sp68 coins with die polish striations. I think they are pretty cool.

Steve

Shamika · September 7, 2005 6:39AM

I put polising lines right up there with die cracks. I LOVE THEM!

XpipedreamR · September 7, 2005 6:41AM

NumisOxide · September 7, 2005 6:44AM

<< I put polising lines right up there with die cracks. I LOVE THEM! >>

I agree with you on that.

GAT · September 7, 2005 7:02AM

I own a rare 1921-D MS63 PL Morgan that I believe is undergraded because of the die polish lines.

mozin · September 7, 2005 7:21AM

Many Classic Commemoratives are known to have die polish lines in certain areas. These are used to determine genuine or altered. There are also a number of Classic Commems that come in PL surfaces and some of them all have the same die polish lines if they are PL.

I have no problem with die polish lines but I cannot say if the grading services downgrade a point. Many of my PL Classic commems with die polish lines I feel are conservatively graded.

PerryHall · September 7, 2005 7:23AM

The Canadian Maple Leaf silver and gold bullion coins have die polish as part of the design to give the coin a special finish.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 10, 2012 7:17AM

Good question.

291fifth · March 10, 2012 7:22AM

Die polish lines are a negative in terms of eye appeal.

PerryHall · March 10, 2012 7:37AM

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Good question. >>

Are those die polish lines? From your pics they look more like hairlines from a harsh cleaning.

rawmorgan · March 10, 2012 7:51AM

Personally I really like die polish lines, they add a lot of character.

DoubleEagle59 · March 10, 2012 7:55AM

<< 

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Good question. >>

Are those die polish lines? From your pics they look more like hairlines from a harsh cleaning. >>

I agree, those are 100% hairlines.

MsMorrisine · March 10, 2012 8:07AM

<< Die polish lines are a negative in terms of eye appeal. >>

true, but I don't think they should affect the grade.

morgansforever · March 10, 2012 8:21AM

The UHR looks extremely ugly with polish lines.
Area dealers wanted nothing to do with it, to difficult to unload is what I was told.

dogwood · March 10, 2012 9:21AM

So I'm gonna say that on Matte finish gold, yeah, the are pretty distracting.

MsMorrisine · March 10, 2012 9:25AM

you could list that on eBay with that picture and sell that UHR for a lot more than issue price with no problems.

PerryHall · March 10, 2012 9:34AM

<< you could list that on eBay with that picture and sell that UHR for a lot more than issue price with no problems. >>

Considering the current melt value is much higher than the original issue price I would have to agree with you.

Swampboy · March 10, 2012 9:47AM

Sure looks like die polish lines to me.

morgansforever · March 10, 2012 10:01AM

<<you could list that on eBay with that picture and sell that UHR for a lot more than issue price with no problems.>>

Tried that, only to refund the buyer because of the polish lines.
Guess I'm keeping it. Considered making it a pocket piece, IMO would look pretty neat with some wear

BryceM · March 10, 2012 10:04AM

I think "it depends".

Any DPLs on a 2009 UHR are a minus. Limited DPLs on a classic coin can be cool and add personality to the coin. Extensive lines can detract, especially when they are oriented in a dozen different directions. I have a 1923-S peace dollar with HEAVY polish lines over maybe 70% of the reverse. They are so heavy and prominent that they negatively affect eye appeal. I'm not sure what the mint was trying to do with that one. The die was clearly beyond salvage.

MsMorrisine · March 10, 2012 11:22AM

well, for the UHRs, the more PL the better and that means no DPLs.

but I've seen many UHRs with DPLs. The issue I'd be concerned with are the black specks that are sometimes struck into the coins.

And on that one coin pictured, it is easy to tell it is DPL because Liberty is clean.

I'd vote keep trying, or try on the BST. It won't go for PL money, that is for sure, but someone will want it.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 10, 2012 11:33AM

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Sure looks like die polish lines to me. >>

This is correct. This coin looks proof-like, in hand. Striations give the appearance of "harsh cleaning".

POLISHED DIES- DO THE STRIATIONS DETRACT?

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