Does that free glob of crap qualify as DNA in the PSA/DNA grading...?
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
I've been on this board for just about four years, and have learned a great deal here and hold you all in high regard... UNTIL NOW.
Even I know the story of the "Printer with a Cold". How can it be that you have all forgotten or, worse, never known?
For those new to the hobby, it goes like this.
The winter of 1975 was harsh, and even the Gods at Topps were not immune to the occasional cold. And such a cold afflicted the head printer, Charlie Thomas, on, of all days, day one of the 1975 Topps Baseball printing run.
"Chuck" was a trooper, and never missed a day at work--a career that spanned from the blue-back days in 1951 all the way up to when he retired after the 1986 series was complete. But on that one day, Chuck was in bad shape.
His wife told him to stay home, but Chuck heard nothing of it, and packed himself and three boxes of tissue into his pickup truck, and battled through the cold snow and ice to work. He got settled in, fixed a cup of tea and honey, and headed out into the printing room. The smell of cut paper and ink instantly overwhelmed his overworked sinuses, but he held his head up and moseyed over to inspect the printing machine before the first sheet was printed. His assistant, Abel Horan, recalls it vividly: "You could tell things weren't going well for him, and I told him that I'd take care of things, but he had a way of glaring at you that told you to shut the hell up, so I did. He loaded up the first batch of blank sheets, checked the ink wells, and hit the button to start. A few minutes later, the first set came out, and we went over to inspect them. As usual with Chuck Thomas at the helm, they looked beautiful."
And they did. Chuck would later recount that the first sheets were the best of the bunch. That was, until his nose couldn't handle the stress any more, and he sneezed a forceful "Nolan Ryan" type of sneeze across what was perhaps the best sheet of the entire bunch. Abel Horan was there, too. "It was ugly. Let me tell you. I don't want to get into the details, but that entire sheet was ruined. We decided to scrap it rather than send it over to the cutter. Little did we know, though, that our co-op apprentice, Stan Shorin, would later bring it over to the cutter instead of the recycle bin."
Stan Shorin was a sixteen year old grandson of one of the original founding Shorin brothers, and often reflects on his decision to go to the cutter rather than the bin. "I didn't think it was that bad. Sure, there were flecks of God knows what on there, but I did my best to flick them off. So I missed some, so what? You blacklist me from the family for that? To heck with pappy and his money."
And so it was that some of the so-called "Phlegm Cards" came into circulation. Young Stan should have been commended for what he attempted to do, as only two of the cards from that fateful sheet had resulting DNA-laden phlegm still affixed to the surface of the cards, one of them being a highly sought after Rollie Fingers. The rest had stains, but faint ones at that. The Fingers Phlegm Card is currently in the hands of a highly respected collector, and only fate knows what happened to the other card. Experts in the industry predict that should the Fingers Phlegm Card ever go up for sale, bidding rivaling that of even the famed T-206 Wagner could ensue.
Instead of bashing the TRAINED and CERTIFIED professionals at PSA, people should look at this as an opportunity to purchase a 1975 PSA 9 in mint condition at a discounted price. Then when you resell the card, just claim the scanner or digital camera is broken as the reason for no picture and say "no refunds on PSA graded cards" in your auction.
Or if this is going into your Set Registry, don't include the picture. Your GPA won't be hurt, and that's the most important thing. Why let little things like a few imperfections get in the way?
<< <i>Instead of bashing the TRAINED and CERTIFIED professionals at PSA, people should look at this as an opportunity to purchase a 1975 PSA 9 in mint condition at a discounted price. Then when you resell the card, just claim the scanner or digital camera is broken as the reason for no picture and say "no refunds on PSA graded cards" in your auction.
Or if this is going into your Set Registry, don't include the picture. Your GPA won't be hurt, and that's the most important thing. Why let little things like a few imperfections get in the way? >>
I think Vargha has ever other ID but mine on this board.....
Fletch Altho it was a legitimate auction for a couple of PSA 9 75T cards, he gave his account of how the graders messed up - that the cards had specks of crap on them - how they accepted the cards for review - and then sent them back to him without any explanation of why they should stay in their current holder/grade.
It was a tremendously entertaining satire - which obviously didn't go over real big with some people.
I personally think he had a good point - if they are going to accept the cards for review and then ship them back, the least they can do is provide a narrative giving the reason for the rejection.
I don't understand how those could be pulled. WTF! Is eBay and PSA that closely intertwined? That is rediculous that those auctions were pulled. It seems to violate the 1st amendment. I really would like an explantion if anyone could provide anythig close to a rational reason other than big business prevails. IMO Vargha did or said nothing wrong and if it really is the PSA lawyers on th hunt they really should be pulling the auctions where people claim the card was "undergraded" for false advertising.
That sucks. I had no idea that would happen. I wonder if it is from these boards because I don't think that would have been picked up if not for the exposure here. What a shame and a First amendment infringement.
Although I think that having the auctions pulled is ridiculous, I do not thnk it is a first amendmet violation. The fact that you have the right to speak freely does not obligate ebay to print your opinions.
Well I have nothing but good things to say about Vargha. He sold me my Redman Minoso at a good price and was completely honest through the whole transaction. A+ in my book.
Collecting Minnie Minoso Master and Basic 1967 Topps PSA 8+ 1960's Topps run Mega Set "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
If PSA is gonna hand out grades they should be a little less OBVIOUS ? Since they are policing Ebay this card should be yanked ,cracked and given to kid!
I see nothing wrong with that Aaron PSA 8 and I sure would wish you anti-PSA posters would think more carefully before posting such negative attacks on PSA.
Just take a look at the AMAZING success of the PSA Set Registry! It's a testament that there are millions of dollars out there to be made just by using PSA. Why attack something like that when it does so much good for the hobby?
Each and everyone of us who have submitted items to PSA do so because we want the value to go up. How many times have we seen stories of people submitting garbage like 1986 Topps or something like that (stuff with no real value raw) and getting a great grade back and then turning around and making a killing?!
Take 1993 Finest refractors for example (a set I am especially fond of). If you buy the raw refractors that are posted by the HUNDREDS every week on Ebay and get lucky and hit a PSA 10, you're guaranteed hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars profit on a card you paid $15.00 for! Name another racket where something like this happens?
People want to tear down the confidence others have built into PSA? It makes no sense to me. There's money to be made, and we should not be trying to kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs.
<< <i>Well I have nothing but good things to say about Vargha. He sold me my Redman Minoso at a good price and was completely honest through the whole transaction. A+ in my book. >>
Jeff I'm a sportscard forum friend of David and he's, of course, not anything like the "persona" he enjoys. He is a bright, intelligent, successful business person who used the forum as a way to vent his jocularity.
In terms of ebay, they don't come any better. In the sports card arena - he's one of the best - a very astute collector.
Having said that - some have reported seeing him cruising the late night strip and having a propensity for women in black tights and bull whips! How he keeps sneaking out of prison is beyond me!
<< <i>Jeff I'm a sportscard forum friend of David and he's, of course, not anything like the "persona" he enjoys. He is a bright, intelligent, successful business person who used the forum as a way to vent his jocularity.
In terms of ebay, they don't come any better. In the sports card arena - he's one of the best - a very astute collector.
Having said that - some have reported seeing him cruising the late night strip and having a propensity for women in black tights and bull whips! How he keeps sneaking out of prison is beyond me! >>
but he really is a one-armed, dyslexic midget.. albeit a bright, intelligent, successful business midget..
Even though i thought it was a good thing in the end (calling out Jr ) last week. I really don't understand why you would start throwing out comments like that.
I've recently purchased 58 PSA graded cards from David. I find him to be friendly and easy to work with. I hope to do alot more business with him in the future. Joe
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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Now that is quite a vivid description.
julen
RIP GURU
heh..
Lee
Heh.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>Whoever gave Dave those negs should be shot. >>
why do you think he's in prison?
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<< <i>Whoever gave Dave those negs should be shot. >>
why do you think he's in prison? >>
Can't be in prison. No prison could possibly hold Vargha! Vargha would have successfully escaped from Alcatraz.
Even I know the story of the "Printer with a Cold". How can it be that you have all forgotten or, worse, never known?
For those new to the hobby, it goes like this.
The winter of 1975 was harsh, and even the Gods at Topps were not immune to the occasional cold. And such a cold afflicted the head printer, Charlie Thomas, on, of all days, day one of the 1975 Topps Baseball printing run.
"Chuck" was a trooper, and never missed a day at work--a career that spanned from the blue-back days in 1951 all the way up to when he retired after the 1986 series was complete. But on that one day, Chuck was in bad shape.
His wife told him to stay home, but Chuck heard nothing of it, and packed himself and three boxes of tissue into his pickup truck, and battled through the cold snow and ice to work. He got settled in, fixed a cup of tea and honey, and headed out into the printing room. The smell of cut paper and ink instantly overwhelmed his overworked sinuses, but he held his head up and moseyed over to inspect the printing machine before the first sheet was printed. His assistant, Abel Horan, recalls it vividly: "You could tell things weren't going well for him, and I told him that I'd take care of things, but he had a way of glaring at you that told you to shut the hell up, so I did. He loaded up the first batch of blank sheets, checked the ink wells, and hit the button to start. A few minutes later, the first set came out, and we went over to inspect them. As usual with Chuck Thomas at the helm, they looked beautiful."
And they did. Chuck would later recount that the first sheets were the best of the bunch. That was, until his nose couldn't handle the stress any more, and he sneezed a forceful "Nolan Ryan" type of sneeze across what was perhaps the best sheet of the entire bunch. Abel Horan was there, too. "It was ugly. Let me tell you. I don't want to get into the details, but that entire sheet was ruined. We decided to scrap it rather than send it over to the cutter. Little did we know, though, that our co-op apprentice, Stan Shorin, would later bring it over to the cutter instead of the recycle bin."
Stan Shorin was a sixteen year old grandson of one of the original founding Shorin brothers, and often reflects on his decision to go to the cutter rather than the bin. "I didn't think it was that bad. Sure, there were flecks of God knows what on there, but I did my best to flick them off. So I missed some, so what? You blacklist me from the family for that? To heck with pappy and his money."
And so it was that some of the so-called "Phlegm Cards" came into circulation. Young Stan should have been commended for what he attempted to do, as only two of the cards from that fateful sheet had resulting DNA-laden phlegm still affixed to the surface of the cards, one of them being a highly sought after Rollie Fingers. The rest had stains, but faint ones at that. The Fingers Phlegm Card is currently in the hands of a highly respected collector, and only fate knows what happened to the other card. Experts in the industry predict that should the Fingers Phlegm Card ever go up for sale, bidding rivaling that of even the famed T-206 Wagner could ensue.
EDITS: Typos only
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine
<< <i>Who in God's name is this Vargha, that you speak of? Is he some sort of creature of greek mythology?
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine >>
Close Adam
Some say we only exist in Vargha's dreams.
Or if this is going into your Set Registry, don't include the picture. Your GPA won't be hurt, and that's the most important thing. Why let little things like a few imperfections get in the way?
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>Instead of bashing the TRAINED and CERTIFIED professionals at PSA, people should look at this as an opportunity to purchase a 1975 PSA 9 in mint condition at a discounted price. Then when you resell the card, just claim the scanner or digital camera is broken as the reason for no picture and say "no refunds on PSA graded cards" in your auction.
Or if this is going into your Set Registry, don't include the picture. Your GPA won't be hurt, and that's the most important thing. Why let little things like a few imperfections get in the way? >>
I think Vargha has ever other ID but mine on this board.....
Julen
RIP GURU
If anyone put that on save, please PM me a copy! Thanx.
mike
<< <i>The auction was pulled. Does PSA have that much pull with Ebay? >>
No but their lawyers do!
looks like Joe got the last "heh" on this one?
<< <i>looks like Joe got the last "heh" on this one? >>
<< <i>What did the description say. >>
Fletch
Altho it was a legitimate auction for a couple of PSA 9 75T cards, he gave his account of how the graders messed up - that the cards had specks of crap on them - how they accepted the cards for review - and then sent them back to him without any explanation of why they should stay in their current holder/grade.
It was a tremendously entertaining satire - which obviously didn't go over real big with some people.
I personally think he had a good point - if they are going to accept the cards for review and then ship them back, the least they can do is provide a narrative giving the reason for the rejection.
mike
That sucks. I had no idea that would happen. I wonder if it is from these boards because I don't think that would have been picked up if not for the exposure here. What a shame and a First amendment infringement.
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Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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julen
RIP GURU
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
Just take a look at the AMAZING success of the PSA Set Registry! It's a testament that there are millions of dollars out there to be made just by using PSA. Why attack something like that when it does so much good for the hobby?
Each and everyone of us who have submitted items to PSA do so because we want the value to go up. How many times have we seen stories of people submitting garbage like 1986 Topps or something like that (stuff with no real value raw) and getting a great grade back and then turning around and making a killing?!
Take 1993 Finest refractors for example (a set I am especially fond of). If you buy the raw refractors that are posted by the HUNDREDS every week on Ebay and get lucky and hit a PSA 10, you're guaranteed hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars profit on a card you paid $15.00 for! Name another racket where something like this happens?
People want to tear down the confidence others have built into PSA? It makes no sense to me. There's money to be made, and we should not be trying to kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>Well I have nothing but good things to say about Vargha. He sold me my Redman Minoso at a good price and was completely honest through the whole transaction. A+ in my book. >>
Jeff
I'm a sportscard forum friend of David and he's, of course, not anything like the "persona" he enjoys.
He is a bright, intelligent, successful business person who used the forum as a way to vent his jocularity.
In terms of ebay, they don't come any better. In the sports card arena - he's one of the best - a very astute collector.
Having said that - some have reported seeing him cruising the late night strip and having a propensity for women in black tights and bull whips! How he keeps sneaking out of prison is beyond me!
<< <i>Jeff
I'm a sportscard forum friend of David and he's, of course, not anything like the "persona" he enjoys.
He is a bright, intelligent, successful business person who used the forum as a way to vent his jocularity.
In terms of ebay, they don't come any better. In the sports card arena - he's one of the best - a very astute collector.
Having said that - some have reported seeing him cruising the late night strip and having a propensity for women in black tights and bull whips! How he keeps sneaking out of prison is beyond me! >>
but he really is a one-armed, dyslexic midget.. albeit a bright, intelligent, successful business midget..
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
<< <i>VARGHA IS A MORON >>
Not very nice Kuntry
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Yet another asinine comment from dumb Kunt.
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