Confusing Russian coins?

gxseries

Here are another two confusing Russian coins that I have, I guess not too many people can figure out the awkwardness of the past Russian coin mint / striking method.

Anyways, these are two coins that are causing me some headaches. The first one is a 1825 10 kopecks, but this seems to be an overdate of 5 over 4, which is quite rare for Imperial Russian silver coins minted after 1800.




Another two zoomed images:




Another coin seems to be some sort of overstrike but I can't figure out what exactly it is. It could have been striked over a brokage, but still it does not make any sense of what happened to this 1822 5 kopecks one. I am quite sure you can see what I mean...




A zoomed image:



What do you all think?

If you can take a look at the other topics that I created, I would appericate it to, as so far, most of them are some sort of mystery...

1857 Poltina Mishandled Proof coin?
1730 Confusing Anna
1992 Russian Democracy Gold Trial Coin?

Thanks!

lordmarcovan

Interesting. There's definitely something goin' on with that 5-kopecks piece, there.

It certainly looks as though it might be overstruck on another coin. What the host coin would've been, however, I have no idea.

Lynch

<< <i>Interesting. There's definitely something goin' on with that 5-kopecks piece, there.

It certainly looks as though it might be overstruck on another coin. What the host coin would've been, however, I have no idea. >>



I think I can see the outline of the double-headed eagle (under and around the denomination) and it looks like it is incuse rather than in relief. To me, that is more suggestive of a die clash than an overstrike.