Price guide for 59 - Present Lincolns has been recently updated.

WaterSport

I know it’s just a guide, but the values for 59 – date Lincolns in MS 66 has recently been updated and the values have gone DOWN over $200. I personally think this accurately reflects the market as seems to be cooling off a bit. While key Lincolns appear to still be hot, maybe the trend of paying crazy money for common dates is finally getting balanced. At least until 2009 comes along.

WS

cladking

Thanks for the heads up.

ellewood

At least until 2009 comes along

Shhhhhh. Don't say that too loud.

LincolnsRule

I still think it is pretty far off base...

In ms66 1961 is tougher than 1963. 73-s is tougher than 73-d. Many prices in ms67/ms68 are very far too low.

Bear

I wish to hell they would get to the Liberty Seated Series

as well as the Barber Series while Im still living.

LincolnsRule

Can someone please pm me the e-mail of the Jaime at pcgs who does the price guide, and I will e-mail him some suggestions.

sonofagunk

yea, I need an explaination of this one:

ridiculous

I think they should update the price guide based on this :>

ellewood

WHAT THE HECK IS THAT???? I PAID WELL UNDER $30 for my 2004-D in MS68RD

What gives????

sonofagunk

I am not sure. It was my coin and I paid $11 (I think $13 with shipping). It takes two nuts to drive the price that high

WaterSport

That is what happens when a pee pee contest goes bad!

Steve

I paid less than $20 for my 2004D Lincoln cent. It looks real good to me. Plenty of red color and eye appeal. I also got $3.90 in nickels, dimes, quarters and half dollars in my 2004 mint set from the US Mint. Somehow, the pleasure I receive from my 2004D and 2004P Lincoln cents and my 2004S proof are all I need for that year's part of my collection. Too bad someone had to spend $120 for their 2004D Lincoln. Think they will enjoy it anymore than me? Unfortunately, sometimes collecting Lincoln cents is ALL ABOUT THE M O N E Y !
Steve

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

A guy named Sy Clone Her from Wakko Texas should tell the story !

Stewart

centmaster

Unless the coin was perfect in every respect, I can't imagine anyone in 2005 looking at a 2004D cent with pride of ownership.

sonofagunk

I guess I am just important enough for people to pay 10X premium for a coin that I once owned

Coppernicus

If you want to make some nice money in the Lincolns, start buying the PCGS/NGC certified 1909-P and 1909-VDB in MS65/66 RD. In 2009, they will be in demand whether or not the cent is changed/discontinued. If the cent is changed/discontinued, the prices will be that much higher.

The 09-P in a PCGS 66RD holder can be bought for about $280, the 65RD goes for about $80. The 09-VDB in a PCGS 66RD holder is $195 and is $90 in 65RD. I think these are great prices for these NOW, and will look really cheap in 2009.

Mike

LincolnsRule

<< <i>... I can't imagine anyone in 2005 looking at a 2004D cent with pride of ownership. >>


Uhm, maybe not if that was the only Lincoln you owned, but you can't own a complete set 59-date or 09-date without owning an 04-d. And if you have such a complete set with all the zinc cents in ms68, or even just 1999-date in ms68... that sure is something anyone would be proud of owning!

Yeah, the 1909 coins may go up on speculation, but probably will drop like a rock after 2009. I sold both my 09-s and 09-s vdb thgis spring. Still haven't bothered to upgrade my ms65 P's.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

Lincolns Rule - What Have You Been Smoking ??????


Are you aware of the population of 04 D Lincoln cents ?

Would you like to buy 1000 or 10,000 copies in ms 68 for $100 each ?

You may be a mathmetician figuring your profit but you certainly are no economist.

Stewart

LincolnsRule

Stewart! I didn't say anything about the price. I just said I and many others would be proud to own a nice complete set, which would have to contain an 04-d to be complete. You own a very nice complete set 09-58 but you have to have the easy dates, say like a 45-s, to do so. I am with the others that I wouldn't pay more than $15 or so for one, and probably not even that. Once the price of 04 mint sets finally drop I'll be doing my own searching and hopefully can find an ms69 anyway.

Steve

Why should anyone have to pay $100 or $50 or $10 or even $5 for a nice mint fresh example of a 2004D Lincoln cent. If you pluck it out of a mint set it should be nice enough to be in your collection of Lincoln cents. Such an example is in MY collection. Why in the world do I need to have a coin that the graders at PCGS or NGC have declared is MS68. Isn't a MS65 or MS66 good enough for your collection? The point to collecting Lincoln cents for me is COMPLETION. Yes, we do need that 2004D, but to pay that kind of money for that date is crazy IMHO. How much are you willing to pay for a 1909SVDB, a 1914D, a 1922 plain, a 1955 doubled die, a 1909VDB Matte proof, a 1990 no S proof? I assume more than $100.

LincolnsRule

That's totally fine for one to be happy with an ms65 or ms66 or an ms63 or a ciculated 2004-d.

So what's wrong with someone just wanting the best coin possible for each date (irregardless of what pcgs says is the best coin, I keep the coins I like best). What's great about the Memorials, that even on the budget of a student, I can afford a best possible 04-d (i.e. by searching for one rather than buying one) while I can't afford a best possible 25-s...

WaterSport

Ya know, the best thing about collecting, is that there are no rules!

But while we are on the subject of a 2004 D…take a look at the 2005 cent PCGS pop numbers and I am NOT talking about the SMS numbers. Now correct me if I am wrong, But I would think you need both SMS and business strikes to have a complete set…So what would a MS 68 2005 P or D go for given the incredible low numbers. Less than $15? Or a crazy number because no one even has one on this forum! (Yet)

WS

Steve

<< <i>Ya know, the best thing about collecting, is that there are no rules!

But while we are on the subject of a 2004 D…take a look at the 2005 cent PCGS pop numbers and I am NOT talking about the SMS numbers. Now correct me if I am wrong, But I would think you need both SMS and business strikes to have a complete set…So what would a MS 68 2005 P or D go for given the incredible low numbers. Less than $15? Or a crazy number because no one even has one on this forum! (Yet)

WS >>



Bob, ff you need BOTH a 2005D SMS & a 2005D regular business strike then get the satin mint set and pluck a nice looking business strike out of circulation. Don't worry about pop numbers or slabs. The coins are not worth the cost to slab them. That is my advise if you are a collector. If you are an investor or a gambler and you like risking money on coins, then go out and buy a PCGS MS 68 business strike assuming PCGS has them without the SMS and then immediately try to sell them for a 50% or more markup. If you are lucky you will make some money. Of course, to me, that is not collecting Lincoln cents. Steve

WaterSport

I agree with you Steve. My point is maybe better stated, that when the SMS first came out, Folks were paying Crazy money. It’s settled down some, But I agree, you can go buy (and I did) SMS Lincolns in Mint wrap from someone who does not want them and pay 2-3 dollars and that includes shipping. Send it off to PCGS, and you may have a $100 coin, even though there are hundreds out there in PCGS Plastic But if you look at 2005 non SMS pop Numbers, then shouldn’t those coins sell for more than the SMS when they first came out! Or is the coin so over minted, that nobody even wants one, not even a business strike as an example? What the heck is that all about? That is what is crazy about the listed values, registry sets, etc.

I collect (not invest) in both raw and PCGS sets. But I will have to make my own PCGS 2005's business strikes because nobody else wants to!

WS

Steve

Bob,
If you collect, collect the COIN. Don't worry about the grade. Sure, the highest grade in a slab will usually bring the most money, but you have to decide, are you interested in keeping the coin or do you want to sell the coin and get the money. My coins I will eventually sell, but I don't play the upgrade game with current modern Lincoln cents. I find one I like for each date and mintmark and that is the one that goes into my collection. I would be absolutely scared to invest more than $5 on ANY Lincoln cent business strike made in the last 30 years unless it was a major error coin. JMHO. Steve

LincolnsRule

I will eventually look for high grade non sms 2005 Lincolns as I want them too. I don't car e at all about the sms ones. I just want to worry about other dates first.

Steve: Some people LIKE to collect ms68-ms70 coins and also don't care about the money. You shouldn't have a problem with that.

cladking

Some people have been collecting the cents made in the last thirty years for thirty years and
know which ones are easy and which are impossible.

If you'd like some '88-P cents I'd sell gems all day long for $5 each. Twist my arm a little and
I'd throw in some choice gems, too.

But $5 won't buy much of an '84-D though.

None of these is getting any more common. If the demand for these US coins ever materializes
you will see some surprisingly low grade coins selling for $5.

I used to point out to people that you could go to any fair sized coin shows and find a few gem
1909-S vdb's, but you could go to every show for a year and not find a really nice 1972-D. This
was back in my pre-forum days before I knew that the '72-D is common compared to many other
dates.

WaterSport

I guess that is what I was trying to say all long only Cladking said it better. Given the circumstances right now, if no one gets those "commom" 2005 certified, collectors 10 years from now are going to be paying some higher prices than they should. I just saw 2005, and 2005 D, non SMS in MS 69 on Ebay, with a BIN for $20 each. He has 50 of each. It will be interesting to see how many he sells at that price.

WS