! Help! My Anna ruble is making no sense to me!
gxseries
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Yes, it is confusing. It will be quite long so read this during the weekend... 
Sorry, my bad habits
Originally posted in coinpeople, the whole forum went down and the whole chat just went boom. All thanks to Stujoe for retriving the post for me.
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Nevertheless back to the topic, this ruble coin that I have seems to be some sort of overstrike, yes, I do recognize the fact that it has been double struck, but there is another layer at the bottom of all which makes no sense at all to me at the moment.
This coin, according to my Russian Coins 1700-1917 by Uzedenikov, seems to be either Uze no. 0693 or 0694. However, Uze no. 0693 is supposed to be like the following Link especially around the Bust area. Uze 0694 is described as portrait of special design, which is like my coin and the following links here: (yet suprising "plentiful"?)
Link 1 - seems to be some kind of overstriking there?
Goldburg auctions - lot 5194, 5195 (lot 5194 - face seems to be slightly different too?)
Goldburg auctions - Lot 3676
Some of the points that I noticed is that on the obverse of the ruble, i.e. Anna's portrait, the right "blank" space, it seems that there are TWO scepters there which makes zero sense at all unless it happened to be the reverse of the ruble flipped back and striked again, but the rest of the surface does not seem to suggest that.
On the reverse, there are two stars which are roughly annotated, which does not appear in any other pictures shown above. What could this mean. Trial coin? Also, the crown of the double headed eagle seems to be "broken" off in the second strike, which seems to be quite surpising and makes no sense what happened there.
What exactly do you make out of this coin other than it's horribly messed up and / or a drunk Russian mintmaster had too much vodka when he was striking this coin?
Sorry, my bad habits Originally posted in coinpeople, the whole forum went down and the whole chat just went boom. All thanks to Stujoe for retriving the post for me.
Original link
Nevertheless back to the topic, this ruble coin that I have seems to be some sort of overstrike, yes, I do recognize the fact that it has been double struck, but there is another layer at the bottom of all which makes no sense at all to me at the moment.
This coin, according to my Russian Coins 1700-1917 by Uzedenikov, seems to be either Uze no. 0693 or 0694. However, Uze no. 0693 is supposed to be like the following Link especially around the Bust area. Uze 0694 is described as portrait of special design, which is like my coin and the following links here: (yet suprising "plentiful"?)
Link 1 - seems to be some kind of overstriking there?
Goldburg auctions - lot 5194, 5195 (lot 5194 - face seems to be slightly different too?)
Goldburg auctions - Lot 3676
Some of the points that I noticed is that on the obverse of the ruble, i.e. Anna's portrait, the right "blank" space, it seems that there are TWO scepters there which makes zero sense at all unless it happened to be the reverse of the ruble flipped back and striked again, but the rest of the surface does not seem to suggest that.
On the reverse, there are two stars which are roughly annotated, which does not appear in any other pictures shown above. What could this mean. Trial coin? Also, the crown of the double headed eagle seems to be "broken" off in the second strike, which seems to be quite surpising and makes no sense what happened there.
What exactly do you make out of this coin other than it's horribly messed up and / or a drunk Russian mintmaster had too much vodka when he was striking this coin?
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Here are two images but they are really huge (1024x1024) around 170kb each.
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Well, in that case, I suppose you'll just have to find a new home for her.
I'm adopting.
Regardless, here is some replies on a Russian coin forum, but geez, sure was hard to get a decent answer from them
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From Basilio:
Those coin was realy double striked, one over another...
this is unfortunatelly almost common for thise coin-type...
If You have any more question - type English please- those will be easy to understand You.
Many minors difernts, like stars after and before date very well listed in Book of Polujko - "Rubles of Anna Ioanovna"; but otherwise book of Uzdennikov shown only common types - without minors differents.
Regards
Basilio
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From Basok:
But to answer gxseries question we have to remember that in the time that the mentioned rouble was struck Russia almost did not have its own domestic silver. It was discovered in Russia a little bit later and all of the silver coins were struck on recycled material, which very often were foreign coins. On your rouble there is definitely signs of double strike. We all can see it. Are there signs of previous issue? Perhaps there are, but it really does not matter because none of them is clearly recognizable. If you can recognize a previous issue on your coin, than yes, it will matter and you can ask more money for it, because there will be somebody whofll appreciate the novelty of that situation. Was there a gdefecth on the blank? It depends what you call a defect. Most likely there was not a defect that would matter to the appearance of your coin, but even if there was, that would not make any difference.
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Another jpg:
I guess I am siding towards Basok's reply, because it seems to be quite clear that there is another layer below the double strike. Except that I can't quite tell what is underneath it... maybe someone with better knowledge of European coins can help...