Nascar? Sports TALK? NAH?
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Was not sure if anyone thought this was a SPORT.? Or if anyone would not mind talking about it? Figure i would post this thread and see what kind of response i would get? Sorry if i imposed.
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Not imposing...it's a good topic. But anything where you have a machine doing 99% of the work isn't a sport.
It's about as much of a sport as this Poker garbage constantly on ESPN.
The only time I will watch NASCAR is if I happen to be flicking through the channels and there are less than 25 laps left in the race.
You have to go in person to really get it.
<< <i>NASCAR isn't a sport.
Not imposing...it's a good topic. But anything where you have a machine doing 99% of the work isn't a sport. >>
99% ?
are you on crack?
if you drive your own car on the interstate WITH the cruise control, the car is still not doing "99% of the work"
and if you were doing it bumper to bumper, with 39 others, at 200 MPH with no air, powersteering, temps over 100 degrees, no tread tires, in a circle, on national televsion................................ it is Definately not doing "99% of the work"
plus if that were the case, for the "definition" of sport
then Motocross,
Cycling,
Target/Skeet shooting,
Skiing,
Tobogon/Luge/Bobsled,
and many others
are not sports either.
I am sure that there is some level of skill involved...it could be a sport
seems boring as hell...like golf. I actually would rather see poker ...even bowling
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if you drive your own car on the interstate WITH the cruise control, the car is still not doing "99% of the work"
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Yes it is. You are doing nothing except keeping the steering wheel straight. You aren't even exerting pressure on the gas pedal!
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and if you were doing it bumper to bumper, with 39 others, at 200 MPH with no air, powersteering, temps over 100 degrees, no tread tires, in a circle, on national televsion................................ it is Definately not doing "99% of the work"
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Oh now you are going to call them athletes? No tread tires make it easier still...they grip better. Ok ok I'll say the driver is doing 10% of the work. Still not a sport.
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plus if that were the case, for the "definition" of sport
then Motocross,
Cycling,
Target/Skeet shooting,
Skiing,
Tobogon/Luge/Bobsled,
and many others
are not sports either.
Motocross is not a sport.
Cycling is, because the rider is powering the cycle, not an engine.
Skiing is a sport, because the skiier is keeping themselves upright, using gravity to pull themselves down the mountain.
The rest have no engines, are propelled by the athlete doing the activity, so they are sports.
NASCAR isn't a sport!
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<< <i>I think trying to convince Axtell to alter his views on racing is like Jehovah's Witnesses trying to get me to flip during their occasional housecalls
Further, try some form of actual competitive motor racing before stating that the driver does not excert themselves to an extreme degree. I was able to run a modified race for a friend about 7 years ago. We ran a mere 25 laps going around 50mph tops, and I was simply exhausted afterwards and I'm in pretty good shape. Tougher than you'll ever know...
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<< <i>the amazing thing is how popular nascar is...really amazing
I am sure that there is some level of skill involved...it could be a sport
seems boring as hell...like golf. I actually would rather see poker ...even bowling >>
The reason NASCAR is so popular is because the U.S. is filled with a bunch of redneck hillbillies who consider it their national past time. Heck, even most of the drivers a bunch of hicks, so naturally the fans will associate with them.
Contrary to belief, there is some level of skill involved, but I still don't really consider it a sport. It is a lot more mental than physical.
NASCAR sucks. NHRA rules. NHRA is much more exciting and the races are over within seconds. NASCAR is simply "drive fast, slow down, turn left, repeat 500 times" Yippee, hold on there y'all, we all goin' for a purdy ride real soon....ya hear?
One thing I will say though is that NASCAR does have better role models for kids than do other sports. Most of the drivers stay pretty clean in the offseason, and they preach good things. Compare that to the NBA where your child becomes a thug and NASCAR is a cleaner sport. But still, NASCAR sucks
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So if I sit and play a racing video game for an hour, I'll be tired the same way...it's exactly the same effort....is THAT a sport?
Racing is not a sport...not when the car is doing all the work and all you're doing is turning it and hitting the pedals.
And yes, I have done competitive racing...and it's NOT a sport by any stretch of the imagination.
<< <i>It always makes me laugh when someone says 'try it before you say it's not a sport!'( >>
Hopefully you weren't talking to me, as I never said that... I simply stated one would need to try it before stating you don't excert yourself in competitive racing. You may not excert yourself as much on super speedways like Daytona, Talladega or Michigan (although I have never driven any of them, so I don't know), but the short tracks are certainly much more work... I GUARANTEE a driver excerpts more energy in a race than any baseball player does in a game.
<< <i>So if I sit and play a racing video game for an hour, I'll be tired the same way...it's exactly the same effort....is THAT a sport? >>
No need to really respond to this, as it's a silly comparison. I guess football must also be easy, as I can kick the crap out of Tecmo Bowl. Obviously the effort is not the same in either...
<< <i>Racing is not a sport...not when the car is doing all the work and all you're doing is turning it and hitting the pedals. >>
Again, you clearly know nothing about the sport.
<< <i>And yes, I have done competitive racing...and it's NOT a sport by any stretch of the imagination. >>
Just so you know, a weekend romp with the little buddies riding go-carts at Craig's Cruisers is not generally considered "competitive racing".
NASCAR (or any other form of motorized racing) isn't a sport.
Race drivers aren't athletes.
Yes, it takes some physical exertion, but so does poker. Saying a driver has more physical skills than a baseball player is ludicrous at best.
<< <i>I'll say it again for those in the cheap seats.
NASCAR (or any other form of motorized racing) isn't a sport.
Race drivers aren't athletes.
Yes, it takes some physical exertion, but so does poker. Saying a driver has more physical skills than a baseball player is ludicrous at best. >>
Poker, okay - LOL? What about horse racing? I don't believe they have motors... Wouldn't that be similar, or is it just the horse that's an athlete?
As far as the baseball comparison, I disagree. It also takes actual conditioning and strength to be a driver in most of the competitive sports, if not all. You need to have quick reaction time to be successful and stay out of the wrecks. Timing is a key for shifting to get the maximum HP from your car in each gear. Stamina & focus is certainly a requirement...
I'm not saying a driver can play baseball competitively, but likely no baseball player would declare that they could race in NASCAR competitively
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I'm not saying a driver can play baseball competitively, but likely no baseball player would declare that they could race in NASCAR competitively >>
Driving is a skill you can learn...it would be infinitely easier for a baseball player to learn to drive NASCAR than it would for any of those drivers to learn to hit a curveball, to play in the field, to pitch.
I am sure you are deadset that you think driving is a sport - just as I am steadfast that there is no way in hell the word sport should ever be soiled in being associated with NASCAR.
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I'm not saying a driver can play baseball competitively, but likely no baseball player would declare that they could race in NASCAR competitively >>
Driving is a skill you can learn...it would be infinitely easier for a baseball player to learn to drive NASCAR than it would for any of those drivers to learn to hit a curveball, to play in the field, to pitch.
I am sure you are deadset that you think driving is a sport - just as I am steadfast that there is no way in hell the word sport should ever be soiled in being associated with NASCAR. >>
Well both are skills you learn. Most drivers were doing some sort of racing in their youth, just like baseball players were. It's extremely rare to hear of a guy who started late and had any success, let alone quickly. I also disagree that it would be any easier to learn. The skills that make a driver successful take many years of practice. Sure, anybody can drive just as easily as anybody can stand in a batter's box and swing at pitches. The difference is what makes one do it well consistently. Many of these drivers have been doing it for years, ala Kyle Petty. But many never see victory lane at all. So why do so many of these sub par drivers stay around the sport so long? The likely answer is because there are not many people who can even drive half as well as the worst drivers on the circuit.
BTW, I have no real cares about what is classified as a sport. I enjoy watching many forms of competition that are not classified as sports. I merely felt the urge to respond because I felt your reasoning for not calling it a sport indicated a real lack of knowledge about NASCAR.
Finally, I realize some of the races may certainly be boring. I'm a big fan, but certainly don't stayed glued to the TV through the whole event. But IMO, a boring race is better than an exciting baseball game any day.