Seriously though, I really hope it's not Clemens. Love him or hate him, it would be devasting to the sport of baseball if the greatest pitcher of our generation went down in flames like this. Man this is bad....and I think it might even get worse.
<< <i>Seriously though, I really hope it's not Clemens. Love him or hate him, it would be devasting to the sport of baseball if the greatest pitcher of our generation went down in flames like this. Man this is bad....and I think it might even get worse. >>
Correction-- it would be bad for MLB. This may sound like semantics, but MLB is not baseball. As long as there are people out their lacing up their cleats and oiling their gloves baseball is doing just fine. Whether or not MLB is doing fine is another question entirely, although I confess to having more and more days where I just really don't care.
<< <i>How about fat/retired ball players?! Aw, it's all in good fun . . .
Cecil Fielder?
You're it! >>
Absolutely it's in good fun-- I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. However, before someone jumps in and suggest Cap Anson I would like to humbly submit that the people making these kinds of posts invariably think their contributions are funnier than the people reading them.
Your semantical debate is really uncalled for here. MLB is the face and spirit of baseball (the sport) to our country. How many folks over 20 do you know that still play the game? You really can't debate this. Otherwise, we all wouldn't collect cards, etc. would we? MLB is a part of our history and tradition as Americans. Besides, you know what I am saying here. If ever there was an inappropriate time to debate semantics, this is it. What is your point? That baseball as a sport could survive without the pros? Well, I think you are 100% correct. However, would we all be better for it? Would the sport thrive? No way. Come on Boo. If you are in any way rooting for the demise of MLB, then that's plain ridiculous. I love the game and am hoping that it can survive the current situation. I really hope you feel the same way. I am genuinely interested to hear your reply.
I'm with you - America needs events like baseball - it's part of the fabric of our culture - it defines us - it is representative - tho this is trite - of what we are - the classic "metaphor for life" - even with it's critics.
The steroid issue is really bad but Baseball is bigger than any one event or short period of the sport.
People really thought that it would take a dive after the absence of presence of a WS in '94.
And there is this: "It was another jolt to a nation already in turmoil and made the American people lose faith in the game they loved."
It references the 1919 Blacksox scandal.
I'm one of those glass half full slobs who believes that I will wake up tomorrow and it will be a better day. This is a game embedded in the american psyche. It will survice steroids just like it has weathered other storms of the past IMO.
mike
edit: I don't think Boo meant anything by his post.
They may have to re-institute the use of the asterisk. ( 61*) I can see it now. In 2007 Barry Bonds new Home Run leader with 762**. ( asterisks denotes "player on the juice". HAIL to Cal Ripken Jr. who deseves to be in the company of Lou Gehrig, and set a new MLB record with honesty and integrity.
Mike, I think you are right. Boopotts is a great poster and I was just tyring to strike up a conversation. I just hate it that our great sport is being batted about so much in the media these days (whether justified or not). I am a half-full guy as well.
<< <i>Mike, I think you are right. Boopotts is a great poster and I was just tyring to strike up a conversation. I just hate it that our great sport is being batted about so much in the media these days (whether justified or not). I am a half-full guy as well. >>
Again I agree Bobby I'm one of the senior BB fans here who watched the game with my dad when it ruled the nest.
Keep in mind, in 1959 Baseball was King, Football was Queen, Basketball was something you watched till baseball season started up again and Hockey had it's own special small interest group.
I'm going to stick with my latest take on BB: Love the game, not the players!
I do think the game may need a little 21st centuring tweeking to speed it up?
<<< I do think the game may need a little 21st centuring tweeking to speed it up? >>>
I understand the thought Mike, but of course it's a game without a clock. I say leave the game alone...I still think it's the greatest summer game ever invented (other than wet t-shirt night) and I don't believe most fans "really" care if a game is say two hours or three hours. I fully realize there is competition for the entertainment dollar, but baseball isn't ever going to want to compete with say something fast paced like motorcycle speed racing, so why try? Just my personal thoughts on this but if the game was tweaked as you say, that wouldn't really bother me, but I still say...leave it alone
That's just it. Clemens is NOT pitching as strong as ever, although it may appear so. His fastball is no where near as consistent or as fast as in his younger years, he is a complete slave to the pitch count (no more than 100), and he is pitching in the NL where several pitchers are doing just as well. Odd, isn't it? First year of steroid testing and virtually all pitchers have gotten better.
In any case, these rumors are completely bogus and was birthed from the idiot messageboards.
Dammit. Forgot you had to register to access this site:
<< <i>Blame baseball for rumor mill
By John Ryan Mercury News
Early in 2004, talk radio and various Internet sites carried the explosive news: John Kerry's presidential campaign was headed down the tubes because he had an affair with an intern.
It wasn't true. But it opened a back door for newspapers: Report that it's being talked about, and whether it's happening becomes secondary.
Which brings us to August 2005, steroids, and Johnny Damon and Roger Clemens.
Last week, blog and radio buzz had it that 58 players have tested positive for steroids, including some bigger names than Rafael Palmeiro. The league and its players association stopped punching each other long enough to type out a statement denying those allegations. In its own perverse way, that gave the rumors more credence. Most probably, it's because fans have been conditioned to automatically believe to be true that which Bud Selig and Don Fehr say is false.
The rumor grew names last weekend. By Friday, the Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times, among other papers, stormed through the back door.
From the Globe: ``Major League Baseball officials received at least a dozen phone calls yesterday regarding a rumor MLB was about to announce that Roger Clemens and Johnny Damon had tested positive for steroids, with an announcement coming today. `Total BS,' one official said.''
But there was enough smoke, apparently, that Damon, the Red Sox center fielder and the American League's leading hitter, attempted to put out the fire.
``People want to start something with anybody,'' Damon told the Globe. ``I'd be more than happy to take any test. There's no way. If I test positive for something, it's going to be because someone threw something in a drink or did something like that.''
Added Red Sox General Manager Theo Epstein: ``I'm not going to honor that by commenting. You guys probably would agree that the reporting about the steroid issue has taken on almost witch-hunt proportions in some circles, and I think it's wrong.''
Fair point, and a nasty part of the ultra-competitive, now-24-hour news cycle. But it's also a system of baseball's decades-long denial: Allegations, while difficult to prove, are almost impossible to disprove.
It's easy to blame Selig, but he's trying desperately to pacify a threatening Congress. No, the players and their union bear more of the fault. For standing in the way of all attempts at a meaningful policy. For sticking with the 10-games-is-enough approach when Selig asked for 50 for a first offense.
And mostly for doing everything for show and nothing when it matters.
Case in point: Palmeiro, Mr. Fingerpointer. According to the Baltimore Sun, the transcript of his arbitration hearing shows that he offered no explanation for his positive test. Nothing of the ``It was the supplements'' or ``I sat on a teammate's needle'' sort.
Weeks after that hearing, he said, ``I would love to tell what happened so everyone would understand.''
No proof -- no evidence suggesting their guilt, even -- has surfaced in the cases of Damon and Clemens. The best-case scenario is that they're the totally innocent victims of vicious gossip.
Here's the thing, though: Even that isn't good for baseball. Because, if there's never a suspension, won't there always be talk of a cover-up? >>
<< <i>I'm glad it's a hoax. I wonder if anybody dumped their Clemens rookies cheap during the week the rumor mill has been churning. >>
What really surprises me is the number of people who were so eager to jump on the bandwagon and add fuel to the fire. At one point Pujols and Jeter's name was mentioned as well. I suppose it's easy to see how these things can continue to perpetuate. Even two days after MLB (and Selig) said the rumors were unfounded and BS, you STILL have posters like eyebone posting fresh threads on the very SAME rumor.
Comments
Cecil Fielder?
You're it!
<< <i>Seriously though, I really hope it's not Clemens. Love him or hate him, it would be devasting to the sport of baseball if the greatest pitcher of our generation went down in flames like this. Man this is bad....and I think it might even get worse.
Correction-- it would be bad for MLB. This may sound like semantics, but MLB is not baseball. As long as there are people out their lacing up their cleats and oiling their gloves baseball is doing just fine. Whether or not MLB is doing fine is another question entirely, although I confess to having more and more days where I just really don't care.
<< <i>How about fat/retired ball players?! Aw, it's all in good fun . . .
Cecil Fielder?
You're it! >>
Absolutely it's in good fun-- I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. However, before someone jumps in and suggest Cap Anson I would like to humbly submit that the people making these kinds of posts invariably think their contributions are funnier than the people reading them.
Your semantical debate is really uncalled for here. MLB is the face and spirit of baseball (the sport) to our country. How many folks over 20 do you know that still play the game? You really can't debate this. Otherwise, we all wouldn't collect cards, etc. would we? MLB is a part of our history and tradition as Americans. Besides, you know what I am saying here. If ever there was an inappropriate time to debate semantics, this is it. What is your point? That baseball as a sport could survive without the pros? Well, I think you are 100% correct. However, would we all be better for it? Would the sport thrive? No way. Come on Boo. If you are in any way rooting for the demise of MLB, then that's plain ridiculous. I love the game and am hoping that it can survive the current situation. I really hope you feel the same way. I am genuinely interested to hear your reply.
I'm with you - America needs events like baseball - it's part of the fabric of our culture - it defines us - it is representative - tho this is trite - of what we are - the classic "metaphor for life" - even with it's critics.
The steroid issue is really bad but Baseball is bigger than any one event or short period of the sport.
People really thought that it would take a dive after the absence of presence of a WS in '94.
And there is this: "It was another jolt to a nation already in turmoil and made the American people lose faith in the game they loved."
It references the 1919 Blacksox scandal.
I'm one of those glass half full slobs who believes that I will wake up tomorrow and it will be a better day.
This is a game embedded in the american psyche. It will survice steroids just like it has weathered other storms of the past IMO.
mike
edit: I don't think Boo meant anything by his post.
rbd
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Don't forget Billy hit 64 homers in his career and had a liftime batting average of .267
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Let us not forget Billy Martin played in 28 World Series games and came thru with a .333 batting average in those games (Juiced!!!!!! LOL!).
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I believe it stunted Freddie Patek's growth
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<< <i>Mike, I think you are right. Boopotts is a great poster and I was just tyring to strike up a conversation. I just hate it that our great sport is being batted about so much in the media these days (whether justified or not). I am a half-full guy as well.
Again I agree Bobby
I'm one of the senior BB fans here who watched the game with my dad when it ruled the nest.
Keep in mind, in 1959 Baseball was King, Football was Queen, Basketball was something you watched till baseball season started up again and Hockey had it's own special small interest group.
I'm going to stick with my latest take on BB: Love the game, not the players!
I do think the game may need a little 21st centuring tweeking to speed it up?
mike
I understand the thought Mike, but of course it's a game without a clock. I say leave the game alone...I still think it's the greatest summer game ever invented (other than wet t-shirt night) and I don't believe most fans "really" care if a game is say two hours or three hours. I fully realize there is competition for the entertainment dollar, but baseball isn't ever going to want to compete with say something fast paced like motorcycle speed racing, so why try? Just my personal thoughts on this but if the game was tweaked as you say, that wouldn't really bother me, but I still say...leave it alone
Steve
<< <i>i heard it was jim thome or miguel cabrera. i hope its clemens. no way is it jeter id be shocked. >>
You hope it's clemens????? Not is your wildest dreams, putz!
I read Jeter and another Yankee got tested, too. Hope not Jeter.
I heard a Red Sox.
Let's wait for official.
If it's Clemens just doesn't make sense to me. He's retiring. Why ruin a career.
Channel 7 in Boston asked Damon and he stated
"If I tested positive it was in something that someone gave me. I would never put anything like that in my body."
I believe him.
Clemens...42 years old and pitching as strong as ever. Hmmmmm?
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In any case, these rumors are completely bogus and was birthed from the idiot messageboards.
A nice read on the matter.
Seems to me, the Clemens haters are reaching for any straw possible to hang this guy.
<< <i>Blame baseball for rumor mill
By John Ryan
Mercury News
Early in 2004, talk radio and various Internet sites carried the explosive news: John Kerry's presidential campaign was headed down the tubes because he had an affair with an intern.
It wasn't true. But it opened a back door for newspapers: Report that it's being talked about, and whether it's happening becomes secondary.
Which brings us to August 2005, steroids, and Johnny Damon and Roger Clemens.
Last week, blog and radio buzz had it that 58 players have tested positive for steroids, including some bigger names than Rafael Palmeiro. The league and its players association stopped punching each other long enough to type out a statement denying those allegations. In its own perverse way, that gave the rumors more credence. Most probably, it's because fans have been conditioned to automatically believe to be true that which Bud Selig and Don Fehr say is false.
The rumor grew names last weekend. By Friday, the Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times, among other papers, stormed through the back door.
From the Globe: ``Major League Baseball officials received at least a dozen phone calls yesterday regarding a rumor MLB was about to announce that Roger Clemens and Johnny Damon had tested positive for steroids, with an announcement coming today. `Total BS,' one official said.''
But there was enough smoke, apparently, that Damon, the Red Sox center fielder and the American League's leading hitter, attempted to put out the fire.
``People want to start something with anybody,'' Damon told the Globe. ``I'd be more than happy to take any test. There's no way. If I test positive for something, it's going to be because someone threw something in a drink or did something like that.''
Added Red Sox General Manager Theo Epstein: ``I'm not going to honor that by commenting. You guys probably would agree that the reporting about the steroid issue has taken on almost witch-hunt proportions in some circles, and I think it's wrong.''
Fair point, and a nasty part of the ultra-competitive, now-24-hour news cycle. But it's also a system of baseball's decades-long denial: Allegations, while difficult to prove, are almost impossible to disprove.
It's easy to blame Selig, but he's trying desperately to pacify a threatening Congress. No, the players and their union bear more of the fault. For standing in the way of all attempts at a meaningful policy. For sticking with the 10-games-is-enough approach when Selig asked for 50 for a first offense.
And mostly for doing everything for show and nothing when it matters.
Case in point: Palmeiro, Mr. Fingerpointer. According to the Baltimore Sun, the transcript of his arbitration hearing shows that he offered no explanation for his positive test. Nothing of the ``It was the supplements'' or ``I sat on a teammate's needle'' sort.
Weeks after that hearing, he said, ``I would love to tell what happened so everyone would understand.''
No proof -- no evidence suggesting their guilt, even -- has surfaced in the cases of Damon and Clemens. The best-case scenario is that they're the totally innocent victims of vicious gossip.
Here's the thing, though: Even that isn't good for baseball. Because, if there's never a suspension, won't there always be talk of a cover-up?
>>
Nick
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<< <i>I'm glad it's a hoax. I wonder if anybody dumped their Clemens rookies cheap during the week the rumor mill has been churning. >>
What really surprises me is the number of people who were so eager to jump on the bandwagon and add fuel to the fire. At one point Pujols and Jeter's name was mentioned as well. I suppose it's easy to see how these things can continue to perpetuate. Even two days after MLB (and Selig) said the rumors were unfounded and BS, you STILL have posters like eyebone posting fresh threads on the very SAME rumor.
Oh my God!
rbd
P.S. Can you imagine Pete Rose on steriods "barrelling down the third base line"? God forgive that catcher who 's "blocking the plate"!
Edit: Plus Pete would bet on very team to win (...at the same time)!
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