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gai 8 Topps '52 mantle on e-bay

$40k and not meeting reserve

Larger scan reveals a really nice card huh?

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  • Is that spot paper loss to the left of the yankees logo on the front?
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I don't know about the paper loss, but there seems to be some black ink streaks on Mick's face. Not horrendously obvious, but still a hit. Other than that, looks like a beautiful card. PSA won't cross it, though.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Obviously a nice card and since I ain't got no 40 large laying around, I'm not worried about it - but if I did have the money to buy a card like this, I'd feel a lot, and I do mean A WHOLE LOT more comfortable seeing it in a PSA holder. I'm not saying it's definitely trimmed, so the few GAI police that haunt this forum don't need to arrest me, but for that kind of money, I don't want to find out later that it is trimmed because that top edge I'm just not 100% sure.

    Steve
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I don't have the money for this card but if I were to bid , I would need to see it in person before paying. it is worth a $200 flight to pick it up and make sure you are both happy. I would think that Baker would have to grade a card like that at GAI so I would not have any worries about it in the holder. and as mentioned , it would not cross to psa just on spite but looks like a gorgeous card
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    GAI has problems, but slabbing trimmed 52T Mantles is not one of them. Such a high-profile mistake would be very costly to them as a company. If anything, they scrutinized this much more closely than the average vintage card. It wasn't handed to some 22-year-old whose specialty is Pujols rookies. If you think the top looks trimmed in a scan, no way it gets past them under a loupe.

    Plus trimming a 52T Mantle in an attempt to turn a 7 into an 8 is much too risky. The mostly likely outcome is it makes the rounds of the reputable companies and has to end up in a PRO holder, which is death as far as sales results. Much better to leave it alone as a 7!
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jr - excellent points.

    Two things though that bothered me with this:

    1. <<< Here is the most popular baseball card ever produced in NMT-MT condition and personally graded by the most famous grader in the business Mike Baker at the National in Chicago. >>>

    How could this story be verified? Not saying it isn't true but...? Anyone want to call me cautious...that's okay...for $40+ thou I would be cautious. Heck - I'm cautious over twenty bucks - LOL.

    2. This is the thing though that really bothers me...this guy has recently sold a number of PSA cards, so why not use PSA for this card? Unless he believes that this card in a GAI slab would get more money? - more likely there is another reason. I would have to believe that he had previously submitted this card to PSA - and didn't like the results - whatever those results were.
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would have to believe that he had previously submitted this card to PSA - and didn't like the results - whatever those results were. >>



    that is highly possible, he could have resent it to psa also but chose gai. I guess that is why there is a whole crack and resubmit game out there, we all play it but just have a different order.
  • personally I would call GAI and ask to speak to Mike baker and ask him if he in fact did grade the card before I spent 40K plus on it.
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  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Here's a couple possible scenarios (out of many):

    It was in a GAI 8 holder and it was bought for cheap -- cheap compared to PSA 8, that is.

    The new owner promptly sent it in the GAI holder to PSA, specifying 8 as the crossover grade. Probably his plan from the start, to increase the card's value either for his own collection or to flip for a profit. He's got some serious coin to play with!

    After careful consideration, and paying absolutely no attention to the holder it's in, the folks in Newport Beach deem the card is not worthy of PSA 8 and give it the dreaded M/G rejection sticker. Maybe the owner tries a couple times, because there's a few thousand bucks at stake if he's successful.

    Disappointed but not surprised at how things work in the competitive world of professional grading, Mr. Sportscard Daytrader shrugs and puts the card up for sale as GAI 8.

    -- Or if you want to believe his story about getting it graded by Baker at the National, maybe it was in a BVG 7.5 or SGC 86 holder, and he got his desired half-point bump from GAI. Thinking to add an instant $10K to his likely sale price, he then walks over to the PSA table and asks to cross at the same grade. After careful consideration, and paying absolutely no attention to the holder it's in, the PSA folks deem the card is not worthy of PSA 8.
  • Take this for what it's worth, but I took the scan into photoshop and measured it off. The left side of the top edge is 3 pixels higher than the right top edge. Now the card could certainly just have been miscut by Topps, but there is a 100% definite slant to the top edge.
  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭


    << <i>Here's a couple possible scenarios (out of many):

    It was in a GAI 8 holder and it was bought for cheap -- cheap compared to PSA 8, that is.

    The new owner promptly sent it in the GAI holder to PSA, specifying 8 as the crossover grade. Probably his plan from the start, to increase the card's value either for his own collection or to flip for a profit. He's got some serious coin to play with!

    After careful consideration, and paying absolutely no attention to the holder it's in, the folks in Newport Beach deem the card is not worthy of PSA 8 and give it the dreaded M/G rejection sticker. Maybe the owner tries a couple times, because there's a few thousand bucks at stake if he's successful.

    Disappointed but not surprised at how things work in the competitive world of professional grading, Mr. Sportscard Daytrader shrugs and puts the card up for sale as GAI 8.

    -- Or if you want to believe his story about getting it graded by Baker at the National, maybe it was in a BVG 7.5 or SGC 86 holder, and he got his desired half-point bump from GAI. Thinking to add an instant $10K to his likely sale price, he then walks over to the PSA table and asks to cross at the same grade. After careful consideration, and paying absolutely no attention to the holder it's in, the PSA folks deem the card is not worthy of PSA 8. >>



    Wait? You mean... No! It can't be! No consipiracy? Ack. What will we all do? I think your scenario of it being in an SGC holder and getting looked at by Baker at the National is a very real possibility. I'm sure he ran it over to the PSA and BGS booths there as well just to see what his hit rate might be. I would feel pretty confident that if this card was in fact graded by GAI at the National, you can bet Baker looked at it.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Wait? You mean... No! It can't be! No consipiracy? >>>

    Heh? Conspiracy story?? We are discussing whether or not the seller is telling a true story, and whether or not GAI graded the card correctly.
  • where's the gai cert #?
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