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New digs but can't ID- one is an 1830 and the other looks to be 1862

Does anyone recognize these? I found these several months ago, lost them and found them again last night (in my MD bag...I totally forgot they were there.)
Thanks!



Thanks!
This is a very dumb ass thread. - Laura Sperber - Tuesday January 09, 2007 11:16 AM 
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
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#2... uh... I dunno. I can't see it quite well enough. Hafta stare at the pics for a bit longer.
I think the second is a Spanish Philippines quarto here's one on eBay.
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