SCD to PSA Babe Ruth

KansasJayhawk

So I see this VERY nice card and am curious to see what the general thought is on SCD grading? Let's assume this winning bidder wants to send to PSA for a crossover.....doubt they would risk cracking out (I could be wrong), was SCD trustworthy enough back in the day to assume this is a good/unaltered original card? Anyone have experience crossing over a high profile card from SCD to PSA?

Fletch1750

Looks like a nice card. I have only heard good things about SCD. There website is very impressive.

pandrews

<< <i>Looks like a nice card. I have only heard good things about SCD. There website is very impressive. >>



i think its a new SCD holder, and i'm pretty sure the new SCD company is garbage..

baseballfanatic

The new SCD is NOT the old SCD. All signs point to putting the "new" SCD in the PRO/GEM catagory.......

KansasJayhawk

I am not familiar with SCD grading, but how can you tell the old from new holder? I thought they no longer were grading cards?

pandrews

<< <i>I am not familiar with SCD grading, but how can you tell the old from new holder? I thought they no longer were grading cards? >>



yeah, the old SCD had basically the same holders, but the oval was red instead of blue..

kennylow

Stone193

I know this may seem pessimistic - but I don't trust this new company.

My gut tells me the card is trimmed R/L - can someone do a pixel measurement? It's supposed to be 2 3/8" wide - may be a bit short - why else would a high grade card like that wind up in that holder?

mike

kennylow

The old SCD was the same as the magazine (I think) - red holder
The new SCD is different. I don't know if they bought the name or not, their holders do look similar, but with a blue holder.

It may be worth a gamble at a low price, but then again, I would assume red-zone would have sent it into one or another company to begin with. Probably got it back as trimmed and sent it in to SCD.

jad22

Why would someone not slab this card psa or sgc? So, I would think there is something wrong.

MorrellMan

The old SCD stands for Sports Collectors Digest and they were so tough on grades that they couldn't develop a continuous customer base. This SCD is not a "new" SCD; it's a different entity entirely. Sports Cards Direct. Could have been Stupid Customers Desired - (no offense meant to anyone, just going for the yuck here, but you get the picture). These oafs are just trying to capitalize on the credibility of those 3 letters.

pandrews

<< <i>Probably got it back as trimmed and sent it in to SCD. >>



IF it's even authentic..

kennylow

good point pandrews. if it was trimmed, it would still have terrific value - get it in a PSA Authentic or GAI Authentic holder, the card looks good. but it could very well be fake.

Stone193

Also, the new SCD grading advertised in SCD a few weeks ago - I thru out all my old copies unfortunately!

I will say, if it's a counterfeit, it's a good one.

I still think it's trimmed.

mike

KansasJayhawk

Guess the seller feedback and fact that he will accept paypal and credit cards for this transaction is a plus, I looked back at his past auctions and he seems to sell PSA, GAI, BGS...and SCD cards (and had some high $$$ realized sales on the SCD cards too). I would never risk a flyer on a card like this....but we all know someone will....I am watching the auction to see how it turns out.

studentT206

Looks like a real card to me. Red band bleeding through to back. Typical of real Goudeys, but that SOB looks trimmed, trimmed, trimmed! New SCD seems no good. Stay away, and no I won't be bidding on this PRO type garbage.

Damian

duner

I would risk it....even if it's altered, judging by what that "authentic" PSA mantle has been bid up to. I would definitely take a chance on it, even to cross it over as authentic.

sagard

It looks real, but it sure doesn't seem as big as this one.

Griffins

The new SCD was set up at the National. After a 2 minute conversation I was not impressed.
3 grading companies is plenty- 4 if you count Beckett.

Stone193

<< <i>The new SCD was set up at the National. After a 2 minute conversation I was not impressed.
3 grading companies is plenty- 4 if you count Beckett. >>




I think you got it right the first time Griff - 3's company.

mike

jvineyard

There was an article in SCD Magazine a few weeks ago about the "New SCD" grading company. When "old SCD" stopped grading cards, they sold all o f their equipment and all of their unused slabs. The "New SCD" is the company that bought the slabs. Then "New SCD" created a name and logo as close to the "Old SCD" as possible. The magazine made a big point of the fact that they were not affilliated with the magazine. I expected to hear that they would be suing them for some kind of trademark infringement. Instead, the following week the magazine had a full page ad for the " New SCD" - guess it shows how desparate SCD is for advertising these days.

earlycalguy

aren't red zone and shaq fu the same seller? shaq fu offers a refund on everything. red zone does not. maybe they sell the questionable scd cards on red zone where no refund is offered.

Stingray

I just don't get it? Most intelligent graders know enough about the grading companies out there to know who is going to get you the most for your card. Why put it in a SCD holder. At least they should have used GAI or SGC if they do not like PSA for some reason. Now the card has opened itself up for debate on it's authenticity.

Stingray

kingraider75

stingray is right, why not go with one of the big three??? Maybe there's a crease there we don't see. It's a nice card and has great eye appeal. I haven't been into vintage baseball, so I guess I won't start with that card~! lol

NickM

If a card was graded by Sports Collectors Digest Authentic, I trust it almost as much as I do a SGC or GAI grade (Beckett doesn't understand how to grade vintage, so I rank them lower). This new company, Sports Cards Direct, may have the same letters, but I would not buy anything serious that they graded.

The seller on this card is notorious - fake patches, trimmed cards, and the like. I would bet no one reputable would cross it over. I think it's authentic (and the bleed is good evidence), but trimmed or otherwise altered.

Nick

KansasJayhawk

First $1000 hurdle reached.........

KansasJayhawk

Over $3000.....

mikeschmidt

People don't leave thousands of dollars on the table for others to make money. If the seller thought it would be a PSA 6 or a PSA 7, I guarantee you that he would not have SCD grade it.

packCollector

no damn way red zone would put that in a scd holder if it could be graded by psa , sgc, or gai. the card is without question altered , anyone who thinks otherwise , please contact me as I have some $3 bills to sell you.

Fletch1750

maybe the card is on consignment from an uninformed collector?

kennylow

Over $4K now. The current high bidder seems legit with his feedback, but it still doesn't smell right.

jrdolan

<< <i>I just don't get it? Most intelligent graders know enough about the grading companies out there to know who is going to get you the most for your card. Why put it in a SCD holder. >>


Because many collectors remember when Sports Collectors Digest graded cards (very stringently, in fact). The new Slabbed Card Depot or whatever it calls itself deliberately tries to dupe such buyers by using an almost identical logo to the one used by the reputable SCD.

The magazine should sue, because as more trimmed and fake cards get put onto the market in these holders with a familiar-looking SCD logo, the well-known SCD will see its reputation damaged by the sleazy one.

Stone193

JR
I think it was a bad idea to sell the equipment in the first place - they had to have known that it would just create another Gem/Pro/Snag garage operation.

Moreover, when they did decide to sell, they should have insisted that the name/logo/tag line ID etc. be as far from their original concept as possible to keep something like this from happening.

Publishers should stick to publishing; Price guide monthly's should stick to prices IMO. This is probably an example of coming up with very uncreative ways to hedge the bottom line during hard times.

Back in the late 80s, Beckett said in it's magazine that to do anything other than to "report" the price trends of cards would be a conflict of interest. I guess when money is needed, the conflict seems less
servere?

mike

KansasJayhawk

Well, looks like a fool and his money..........

kennylow

Too bad it will be almost impossible to figure out what he does with the card. Does he crack and submit? Keep it? Crossover?

From his feedback, he doesn't seem to be a card guy.