Need help identifying an old tobacco card (edit: my dealer got duped)

bsfastball

Any idea what set this card belongs to? At first I thought it was a T206, but the card measures 1 1/2 x 2 3/4 (regular T 206 measures 1 7/16 x 2 5/8). I also found this card on ebay, the picture looks the same, but the font on the bottom is different. Anyone have any idea what it is?

NickM

It's a T-206 reprint.

Nick

bsfastball

That was quick, thanks for the help. What indicates it's a reprint?

MorrellMan

aside from the impossible condition and incorrect tint, the erasure marks on the bottom of the back where it used to say "Reprint".

bsfastball

Well thats pretty obvious then. My local card shop must've gotten duped, he just bought a handful of these.

jrinck

<< <i>Well thats pretty obvious then. My local card shop must've gotten duped, he just bought a handful of these. >>



...to sell to unsuspecting buyers.

SDSportsFan

Also, Sweet Caporal only used red print on the backs in T206.


Steve

NickM

And the font on the front is not quite right.

Nick

bsfastball

Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciated it. I guess it serves me right since I know next to nothing about pre-war.

Follow-up to this: Today I brought the card back to the shop and got a refund, it seems the dealer bought about 6-7 similar cards about a week ago. He's in his 70's and seemed geniunely hurt when I pointed out the things you guys mentioned. He said something like "every once in a while one gets by me"... poor guy, it must've been quite a blow to find out he got duped. I hope he's able to get his money back; from the looks of it, he spent at least $1000 on those few cards.

roastedcat

T206 letters on the front of the card, Players name are brown not black.
Take it from a T206 collector.

Go to: T206 Museum

Jery

WinPitcher

Yikes. I doubt he paid that much, unless he also got the wagner.

heh

SD

MorrellMan

Glad you got your money back - knowing you're from Claremont, which is less than 50 miles from downtown LA, I would be hard put to believe that a dealer, owning a card shop in this area, was legitimately duped by these cards, 70 years old or not. If his doors are open, he's running a business, and with the tough competition in the SoCal area, I seriously doubt he's that dumb.

edited for a grammatical error

NickM

Mark - sometimes it's surprising what dealers don't know. I visited a store a couple years ago (that's closer to downtown LA than Claremont is) where the owner's philosophy on vintage cards, and they had a large stock fromthe '60s and '70s, is that anyone not listed in the Beckett monthly is a common, so I picked up dozens of ExMt to NM '70s commons of Billy Williams, Phil Niekro, Tony Perez, Catfish Hunter, and the like for 10 to 15 cents apiece.

Nick

MorrellMan

Nick - I can understand that, daft as it may be, but a shop owner laying out that kind of dough for obvious fakes? I can't see it happening.

bsfastball

Spoke to the dealer again today, he had pulled the cards off his shelves. He just doesnt know his stuff I guess. From speaking to another dealer who used to work with him, he said he really doesn't know all that much about cards (!). He does, however, know how to put high prices on things. MM, I moved down to the San Diego area (near La Jolla), and considering the number of shops nearby, I think the competition is even tougher down here, all the more surprising.

bjork73

bs are you in Clairemont? I live in Point Loma so we're not that far apart. From which shop did you get that card? I know of Clairemont Sports Cards and Baseball Cards Plus in that area but nothing else, unless it's a comic or coin store that just happens to have cards...

bsfastball

Yeah, I go to both shops. Clairemont is excellent and very friendly, great shop. I got the card mentioned in the thread at Baseball Cards Plus (along with a raw 1963 Fleer BB Checklist that I got a PSA 9 on). He has some more vintage stuff, but prices are kinda high.

stevek

In my opinion based on having visited many dozens of card shops over the years, 99% of baseball card shop owners are weasels. Many of them are actually nice guys, but most will "nicely" try to gouge you by either charging too much when you want to buy or offering too little when you want to sell. But most all wouldn't try to sell T-206 reprints as genuine cards. In my view there is no conceivable way that 70+ year old dealer was telling the truth - not a chance! He is an absolute fraud for trying to sell obvious reprints as genuine cards.

Stone193

Steve
I have to agree, over the last 20 years, my overall experience with shop owner/employees is less than exemplary.

And yes, some have been out and out jerks/thieves/low-lifes/slobs/misfits/outcasts/bottom feeders and my all time favorite lower than whale shit!

mike

jrdolan

Scammers are getting lazy if they're just taking reproductions and erasing the word "reprint" on the back. No attempts to make it look almost a century old? No blunting the corners? No rubbing it in dirt? No other paper damage to camouflage the erasure? Sheesh. Maybe they knew the 70-year-old can't see too well and thus didn't take the trouble.

Boopotts

<< <i>In my opinion based on having visited many dozens of card shops over the years, 99% of baseball card shop owners are weasels. Many of them are actually nice guys, but most will "nicely" try to gouge you by either charging too much when you want to buy or offering too little when you want to sell. But most all wouldn't try to sell T-206 reprints as genuine cards. In my view there is no conceivable way that 70+ year old dealer was telling the truth - not a chance! He is an absolute fraud for trying to sell obvious reprints as genuine cards. >>




Whuh? Who's to decide what's 'too much', or 'too little'? People here are in the habit of comparing brick and mortar shops with Ebay; if they're prices don't stack up then they consider them a rip off, without considering the extra overhead that a shop has to take on.


Also, if he was an 'absolute fraud' it's unlikely he would have pulled the cards off his shelf.

stevek

<<< Whuh? Who's to decide what's 'too much', or 'too little'? People here are in the habit of comparing brick and mortar shops with Ebay; if they're prices don't stack up then they consider them a rip off, without considering the extra overhead that a shop has to take on.

Also, if he was an 'absolute fraud' it's unlikely he would have pulled the cards off his shelf. >>>

These were my feelings about card dealers long before ebay came about. I completely understand making a "fair profit" and dealers having overhead...everybody understands this...but anyone who has frequented card shops knows that they will try to gouge your eyes out if they can. And any dealer selling those stone cold obvious T-206 reprints is a fraud. These "old" guys whether in a card shop, flea market, or whatever often sort of pretend to be a little senile so you'll think you're getting a deal off of them - don't let them fool you...they are sharp as tacks when it comes to their profession. A 70+ year old card dealer not knowing T-206's? - come on now...this guy probably collected T-206 cards growing up as a kid - LOL. He could probably spot a fake T-206 versus a genuine T-206 from ten feet away - LOL.

Yes, card dealers are weasels...but I've done business with them in the past and still do. They would probably consider being called a weasel a compliment - LOL. I regularly buy supplies from them and even a card once in a while if the deal is right...which isn't often.