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VAM folks: here's the list of 275 Morgans PCGS plans to begin attributing on holders

DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
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PCGS has already begun grading the following dates and VAMs, albeit it slowly and quietly and more as an internal training exercise than as a commercial endeavour. I'm guessing we may have to wait until next year before we can start sending in ours, but at least it's coming. This is the list that was distributed at the SSDC meeting during the ANA show in San Francisco. The last column of numbers, the one where everything starts with 1012xxx, is the coin number PCGS has assigned to each of the VAM coins. I've done a pop report lookup for several of them (mainly 1878s) and some already show pops. There's one change that needs to be made to this list: 1885 VAM 8 apparently does not exist; VAM 22 will hopefully be used instead.

1878 8TF VAM 1 Spear Point 1012017
1878 8TF VAM 2 Lines in LIB 1012018
1878 8TF VAM 3 Spiked Eye 1012019
1878 8TF VAM 4 Denticle Chip 1012020
1878 8TF VAM 5 Doubled RIB 1012021
1878 8TF VAM 6 Pierced Eyelid 1012022
1878 8TF VAM 7 Tripled E 1012023
1878 8TF VAM 8 Stick Feather 1012024
1878 8TF VAM 9 1st Die Pair 1012025
1878 8TF VAM 10 Notched 7 1012026
1878 8TF VAM 12 Notched Star 1012027
1878 8TF VAM 14 Chip in Ear 1012028
1878 8TF VAM 14.1 Alligator Eye 1012029
1878 8TF VAM 14.2 Polished Ear 1012030
1878 8TF VAM 14.3 Doubled Bow 1012031
1878 8TF VAM 14.4 Concave Reverse 1012032
1878 8TF VAM 14.5 Open Nostril 1012033
1878 8TF VAM 14.6 Dot on Ear 1012034
1878 8TF VAM 14.7 Flakey Ear 1012035
1878 8TF VAM 14.8 Spiked Eye 1012036
1878 8TF VAM 14.9 Tripled Eyelid 1012037
1878 8TF VAM 14.10 Cracked Bonnet 1012038
1878 8TF VAM 14.11 Wild Eye 1012039
1878 8TF VAM 14.12 Eye Dots 1012040
1878 8TF VAM 14.13 Doubled Edelid 1012041
1878 8TF VAM 14.14 Eye Chip 1012042
1878 8TF VAM 14.15 Lines in Hair 1012043
1878 8TF VAM 14.16 Wild Lips 1012044
1878 8TF VAM 14.17 Chip in Ear 1012045
1878 8TF VAM 14.18 Broken 7 1012046
1878 8TF VAM 14.19 Broken 8 1012047
1878 8TF VAM 14.20 Boll Lines 1012048
1878 8TF VAM 15 Doubled Liberty 1012049
1878 8TF VAM 16 Tripled Stars 1012050
1878 8TF VAM 17 Diagonal in 8 1012051
1878 8TF VAM 18 Doubled Date 1012052
1878 8TF VAM 19 Doubled Date 1012053
1878 8TF VAM 20 Doubled Date 1012054
1878 8TF VAM 21 Broken R&B 1012055
1878 8TF VAM 22 Polished LIB 1012056
1878 8TF VAM 23 Crazy Lips 1012057
1878 7TF R78 VAM 30 Extra Talons 1012466
1878 7TF R78 VAM 31 Lines Thru Leg 1012467
1878 7/8TF Weak VAM 32 7/3 1012070
1878 7/8TF Weak VAM 33 Dbld Legs 1012468
1878 7/8TF Weak VAM 34 7/4 1012400
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 36 7/4 1012469
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 37 7/4 1012470
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 38 7/5 1012471
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 39 7/5 1012472
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 40 7/5 1012473
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 41 7/7 1012071
1878 7/8TF Weak VAM 41A 7/4 1012474
1878 7/8TF Strong VAM 42 7/7 1012475
1878 7TF R78 VAM 43 Doubled Legs 1012401
1878 7/8TF Weak VAM 44 Trpl Blossoms 1012072
1878 7TF R78 VAM 45 Dbl Talons 1012073
1878 7TF R78 VAM 70 Doubled RIB 1012074
1878 7TF R78 VAM 79 Fill in 8s 1012402
1878 7TF R78 VAM 80 Weak LIB 1012476
1878 7TF R78 VAM 81 Polished Ear 1012477
1878 7TF R78 VAM 82 Doubled Stars 1012478
1878 7TF R78 VAM 83 High 1 1012479
1878 7TF R78 VAM 84 Line Under 8 1012480
1878 7TF R78 VAM 100 Type 1 Obv 1012075
1878 7TF R78 VAM 115 Trpl Blos 1012077
1878 7TF R78 VAM 117 Tripled Star 1012079
1878 7TF R78 VAM 141 Tripled Star 1012078
1878 7TF R78 VAM 145 Broken N&M 1012403
1878 7TF R78 VAM 162 Broken N&M 1012404
1878 7TF R78 VAM 166 Tripled Eye 1012481
1878 7TF R78 VAM 168 Doubled P 1012482
1878 7TF R78 VAM 169 Quad Stars 1012405
1878 7TF R78 VAM 170 Doubled Date 1012406
1878 7TF R78 VAM 171 Tripled R 1012080
1878 7TF R78 VAM 187 Doubled R 1012407
1878 7TF R78 VAM 188 Washed Out L 1012483
1878 7TF R78 VAM 199.1 Trpl Blos 1012076
1878 7TF R79 VAM 203 Short Leaf 1012081
1878 7TF R79 VAM 220 Tripled R 1012082
1878 7TF R79 VAM 223 Washed Out L 1012083
1878-CC VAM 6 Doubled Leaves 1012084
1878-CC VAM 11 Lines in Wing 1012086
1878-CC VAM 18 Doubled Leaves 1012085
1878-CC VAM 24 Doubled Leaves 1012087
1878-S VAM 6 Doubled RIB 1012408
1878-S VAM 22 Doubled RIB 1012409
1878-S VAM 26 Long Arrow Shaft 1012115
1878-S VAM 27 Long Arrow Shaft 1012116
1878-S VAM 50 Tripled Eyelid 1012564
1878-S VAM 56 Long Arrow Shaft 1012117
1878-S VAM 57 Long Arrow Shaft 1012118
1878-S VAM 58 Long Arrow Shaft 1012119
1878-S VAM 59 Long Arrow Shaft 1012120
1878-S VAM 60 Long Arrow Shaft 1012121
1878-S VAM 62 Long Arrow Shaft 1012122
1878-S VAM 72 Long Arrow Shaft 1012123
1879-CC VAM 3 Capped Die 1012139
1879-O VAM 4 O/Horizontal O 1012124
1879-O VAM 28 O/Horizontal O 1012125
1879-S VAM 4 Reverse of 1878 1012126
1879-S VAM 6 Reverse of 1878 1012127
1879-S VAM 9 Reverse of 1878 1012128
1879-S VAM 23 Reverse of 1878 1012129
1879-S VAM 25 Reverse of 1878 1012130
1879-S VAM 34 Reverse of 1878 1012131
1879-S VAM 39 Reverse of 1878 1012132
1879-S VAM 42 Reverse of 1878 1012133
1879-S VAM 43 Reverse of 1878 1012134
1879-S VAM 46 Reverse of 1878 1012135
1879-S VAM 50 Reverse of 1878 1012136
1879-S VAM 51 Reverse of 1878 1012137
1879-S VAM 52 Reverse of 1878 1012138
1880 VAM 1A Knobbed 8 1012140
1880 VAM 6 8/7 Spikes 1012141
1880 VAM 7 8/7 Crossbar 1012142
1880 VAM 8 8/7 Ears 1012143
1880 VAM 9 8/7 Stem 1012144
1880 VAM 11 Checkmark 1012411
1880 VAM 16 Checkmark 1012412
1880 VAM 23 80/79 1012145
1880 VAM 29 Checkmark 1012413
1880 VAM 39A Partial E Rev 1012410
1880-CC VAM 4 80/79 Rev of 78 1012146
1880-CC VAM 5 8/7 High 7 1012147
1880-CC VAM 6 8/7 Low 7 1012148
1880-CC VAM 7 8/7 Rev of 78 1012565
1880-O VAM 4 80/79 Crossbar 1012150
1880-O VAM 5 8/7 Crossbar 1012151
1880-O VAM 6 8/7 Ear 1012152
1880-O VAM 6A 8/7 Ear 1012153
1880-O VAM 16 Checkmark 1012414
1880-O VAM 17 Checkmark 1012415
1880-O VAM 21 Checkmark 1012416
1880-O VAM 43 Doubled Ear 1012155
1880-O VAM 48 Hangnail 1012149
1880-O VAM 49 8/7 Ear Hangnail 1012154
1880-S VAM 8 8/7 Medium S 1012156
1880-S VAM 9 8/7 Large S 1012157
1880-S VAM 10 8/7 Crossbar 1012157
1880-S VAM 11 0/9 Overdate 1012158
1881-O VAM 5 O/O 1012566
1881-O VAM 27 Doubled Ear 1012418
1882-O VAM 3 O/S Flush 1012159
1882-O VAM 3 O/S EDS 1012160
1882-O VAM 4 O/S Recessed 1012161
1882-O VAM 4 O/S EDS 1012162
1882-O VAM 5 O/S Broken 1012163
1882-O VAM 5 O/S EDS 1012164
1882-O VAM 7 O/O 1012165
1883 VAM 10 Sextupled Stars 1012166
1883-O VAM 4 O/O 1012167
1883-O VAM 36A Partial E Rev 1012419
1884 VAM 2A Partial E Rev 1012420
1884 VAM 3 Large Dot 1012168
1884 VAM 4 Small Dot 1012169
1884 VAM 5 Doubled Ear 1012421
1884-O VAM 6 O/O 1012170
1884-O VAM 10 O/O 1012422
1884-O VAM 25 Date in Denticles 1012423
1884-O VAM 35 Doubled Eyelid 1012424
1885 VAM 1A Pitted Reverse 1012425
1885 VAM 1B Pitted Reverse 1012426
1885 VAM 1C Pitted Reverse 1012427
1885 VAM 8 (22?) Dash 1012567
1885-CC VAM 4 Doubled Dash 1012428
1885-S VAM 6 S/S 1012171
1886 VAM 1A Line in 6 1012172
1886 VAM 1C 3+2 Clashed Rev 1012430
1886 VAM 17 Doubled Arrows 1012174
1886 VAM 20 Doubled Date 1012429
1886 VAM 21 Line in M MPD 1012173
1886-O VAM 1A Clashed E 1012175
1886-O VAM 7 O/O 1012431
1886-S VAM 2 S/S 1012176
1887 VAM 1A Donkey Tail 1012177
1887 VAM 2 7/6 1012178
1887 VAM 5 Doubled Date 1012179
1887 VAM 12 Alligator Eye 1012180
1887 VAM 18 Partial E Rev 1012432
1887-O VAM 2 Double 1 Triple 7 1012181
1887-O VAM 3 7/6 1012182
1887-O VAM 5 Doubled Stars 1012183
1887-O VAM 22A DDO Pitted Rev 1012184
1887-O VAM 30 TY Clash 1012568
1887-S VAM 2 S/S 1012185
1887-S VAM 4 Doubled Date 1012433
1888 VAM 4 Doubled Reverse 1012434
1888 VAM 6 Doubled Reverse 1012435
1888 VAM 7 Doubled Reverse 1012436
1888 VAM 11 Doubled Ear 1012186
1888 VAM 12 Doubled Reverse 1012437
1888 VAM 18 Doubled Eyelid 1012438
1888-O VAM 1A Clashed E 1012187
1888-O VAM 1B Scarface 1012188
1888-O VAM 2 Oval O 1012191
1888-O VAM 4 Hot Lips 1012189
1888-O VAM 5 Oval O 1012192
1888-O VAM 6 Oval O 1012193
1888-O VAM 9 Doubled Arrows 1012190
1888-O VAM 15 Doubled Reverse 1012439
1888-O VAM 17 Oval O 1012194
1888-O VAM 18 Oval O 1012195
1888-O VAM 21 Oval O 1012196
1888-O VAM 24 Oval O 1012197
1888-S VAM 1B Pitted Reverse 1012440
1889 VAM 16 Doubled Ear 1012441
1889 VAM 18 Doubled Ear 1012442
1889 VAM 19A Bar Wing 1012198
1889 VAM 20 Doubled Ear 1012443
1889 VAM 22 Bar Wing 1012199
1889 VAM 23A Clashed IN 1012444
1889-O VAM 1A Clashed E 1012200
1889-O VAM 2 Oval O 1012201
1889-O VAM 6 Doubled Date 1012203
1889-O VAM 17 Oval O 1012202
1889-O VAM 20A Weak E Rev 1012445
1890-CC VAM 4 Tailbar 1012204
1890-O VAM 10 Comet Variety 1012446
1890-O VAM 20 Doubled Ear 1012569
1891 VAM 2 Doubled Ear 1012205
1891 VAM 2A Dbld Ear/Moustache 1012206
1891-CC VAM 3 Spitting Eagle 1012207
1891-O VAM 1A Clashed E 1012208
1891-O VAM 1B Pitted Reverse 1012447
1891-O VAM 3A Weak E Rev 1012448
1891-S VAM 3 Doubled Stars 1012209
1892-O VAM 7 Doubled Ear 1012210
1892-S VAM 2 Doubled Date 1012211
1893 VAM 4 Doubled Stars 1012212
1895-S VAM 3 S/S 1012449
1895-S VAM 4 S/Horizontal S 1012213
1896 VAM 4 Doubled Stars 1012214
1896 VAM 19 8 in Denticles 1012215
1896 VAM 20 Bar 6 1012450
1896-O VAM 19 Doubled Date 1012570
1896-S VAM 5 S/S 1012451
1897 VAM 6A Pitted Reverse 1012217
1897 VAM 8 Doubled Stars 1012452
1899-O VAM 4 Micro O 1012218
1899-O VAM 5 Micro O Wing Lines 1012222
1899-O VAM 6 Micro O 1012219
1899-O VAM 31 Micro O 1012220
1899-O VAM 32 Micro O 1012221
1899-S VAM 7 Doubled Date 1012223
1900 VAM 11 Doubled Wing 1012224
1900 VAM 16 Two Olive Rev 1012453
1900 VAM 16A Two Olive Rev 1012454
1900 VAM 18 Two Olive Rev 1012455
1900 VAM 24 Doubled Wing 1012225
1900-O VAM 7 O/CC 1012230
1900-O VAM 7A O/CC 1012231
1900-O VAM 8 O/CC 1012232
1900-O VAM 8A O/CC 1012233
1900-O VAM 9 O/CC 1012229
1900-O VAM 10 O/CC 1012234
1900-O VAM 11 O/CC 1012235
1900-O VAM 12 O/CC 1012236
1900-O VAM 15 Doubled Stars 1012227
1900-O VAM 29A Die Break 1012228
1901 VAM 3 Shifted Eagle DDR 1012237
1901 VAM 5 Doubled Ear 1012456
1902 VAM 4 Doubled Ear 1012238
1903-S VAM 3 Small S 1012240
1921 VAM 1A Pitted Reverse 1012241
1921 Pitted Reverse 1012457
1921 Wide Reeding 1012242
1921-D VAM 1A TRU_T Variety 1012499
1921-D VAM 1B Capped R 1012464
1921-D VAM 1N Unicorn 1012571
1921-D VAM 1X Double Cud 1012572
1921-D VAM 3A Wing Dot 1012573
1921-D VAM 9A _RUST Variety 1012574
1921-S VAM 1A BU Scratch 1012575
1921-S VAM 1B Thorn Head 1012576
When in doubt, don't.

Comments

  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I've got one. 1886 VAM 1c.
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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    Top 50 Peace dollars will also be attributed.

    I love the recognition 21-d coins will be getting! I have 7 Unicorns image
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have 7 Unicorns image >>



    Well, aren't we the greedy one. image I only have one. I am glad about the thornhead Morgans. I love those! I have two of 'em.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    Thanks for the info! I think I have an 1888 VAM 11image
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no Unicorns, but I do have 8 Shifted Eagles image
    When in doubt, don't.
  • arlea1957arlea1957 Posts: 817
    It is great that they are doing this it will really help us morgan/peace collectors who prefer PCGS in general. In the meantime I will still use anacs for vams because I can send them the vam number (and usually a letter from Leroy) and they will attribute it accordingly. I hope in the future PCGS will do this also.

    There is nothing more powerful than the power of goodbye
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have no Unicorns, but I do have 8 Shifted Eagles image >>



    Really?! That's pretty cool. I don't have one of those, yet. One of these days I will... Just need that one lucky cherry. image
  • dwsswsdwssws Posts: 2,166
    thank you for the info and update!image
    steve

    myCCset
  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685 ✭
    Yes, thanks for the list. image
    Wayne
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just received a submission where I listed the VAM's on the submission form. They dint write and ask if I wanted to pay extra and have them attributed image

    That was the reason my friend sent them along with my other coins.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    Will they put "Top 100" or "Top 50" on the label like NGC does?
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice list. All 8TF, 7/8TF Top 100, Hot 50, 79-S Rev. of 78 (excluding 34A, 34B, and 56 for some reason), and a few extras for those of you paying close attention. I assume they'll do the Top 50 Peace dollars as well, since Mike Faraone is at PCGS and is a Peace dollar VAM specialist.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • moosesrmoosesr Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭
    Some of the descriptions in the list don't seem to agree with the descriptions in my Morgan & Peace Encyclopedia, have there been some changes in the VAM numbers lately?

    Thanks,
    Charlie
  • DanegeldDanegeld Posts: 1,497


    << <i>I just received a submission where I listed the VAM's on the submission form. They dint write and ask if I wanted to pay extra and have them attributed image

    That was the reason my friend sent them along with my other coins. >>



    Yes, thanks indeed image I've booked it.

    Take Care
    Ben
    100% DAV, Been There and Done That!
    166 BHDs & 154 Die Varieties & Die States...
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Charlie:

    The VAM numbers have been undergoing changes pretty much constantly. It's very hard to keep up with whatever is most current.

    Some of the PCGS names for the coins don't agree with what is in the VAM book. One reason is PCGS has a limited amount of character space to work with on the holders. Another may be that there are shorter and more descriptive ways to describe the coins.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • BIGDAVEBIGDAVE Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭
    What the H... they skipped all my good one's Been Hording These

    78 7/8 Vam 41c (R-6)
    78 rev 79 Vam 201 (R-6)
    83 cc Vam 8 (R-6)
    91 vam 2b (R-6)
    My Ebay
  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    Going to be some long numbers...

    Go, Mike Go!!!!
    "Don't bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself." - William Faulkner
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  • 777777 Posts: 1,056
    I think this will bring many NEW vam collectors to the market and you can watch the prices for the vams soar within the next few years.. Think Ill hold on to mineimage
  • NeoNumismaniacNeoNumismaniac Posts: 335 ✭✭
    Where could one find a current Morgan/Peace VAM Book? I have numerous raw Morgans and several Peace Dollars in my collection and until just recently I was unaware that VAM attributions existed. Who knows, I might have some good ones in my collection!

    Neo...image
  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭


    << <i>Where could one find a current Morgan/Peace VAM Book? I have numerous raw Morgans and several Peace Dollars in my collection and until just recently I was unaware that VAM attributions existed. Who knows, I might have some good ones in my collection!

    Neo...image >>



    The best price I have seen on the "VAM Book" is from
    This Ebay Seller ($39 plus $7 S&H)

    You can download updates to the book from the Ashmore website.

    Have Fun!!
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    This is terrific news--about 10 inexpensive PL/DMPL Morgans I have in MS61-3 grades, just became condition census coins!! Thank you PCGS!! image
    morgannut2
  • RobJoyce1921dVAMguyRobJoyce1921dVAMguy Posts: 942 ✭✭
    I'm concerned that several VAMs are aliased into the same PCGS coin number. The most important example is the 1921-S Thornhead which is actually has 8 different die states with one being found about 90% of the time (VAM-1B6) and the other ultra-rare examples being much tougher to find. Anyone know if they will differentiate the ones that are much more rare?

    Rob
    Rob Joyce - Dollar Variety / VAM Collector
    http://www.vamworld.com
    and
    http://www.rjrc.com
  • numonebuyernumonebuyer Posts: 2,136 ✭
    I have...

    1880-CC VAM 4 80/79 Rev of 78 1012146
    1880-S VAM 9 8/7 Large S 1012157
    1882-O VAM 5 O/S Broken 1012163
    1886-O VAM 1A Clashed E 1012175
    1887 VAM 2 7/6 1012178
    1887-O VAM 3 7/6 1012182
    1891-O VAM 1A Clashed E 1012208
  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    image......Due to recent announcement at Long Beach by PCGS.

    Figures....I finally found an R-7 VAM...1878 Rev 79 VAM 220 (Triple R) and had mailed it to ANACS on Friday.image
    I figured it would still be awile before PCGS started this and wanted to get it attributed. I found it in an
    older green-bordered MS63 PCI slab.


    I wonder how many ANACS VAM crossover slabs PCGS will get hit with in the coming weeks?image

    P.S. Thanks Dennis, for posting this list!

    Happy Hunting!
    Brian
  • moosesrmoosesr Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭
    Here's the links to the PCGS announcement: PCGS Link

    PCGS Link 2

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