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According to Coin World full step Jefferson nickels will be back in 2006.

Schalag’s original Monticello reverse will back and enhanced. His initials will now appear on the reverse. The article goes on to state the enhanced reverse will be paired with a new Jefferson obverse to be announced in September.

Full step collectors is this a good or bad decision?


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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And guess what one of the possible obverse's look like?
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    Interesting question. Is the "old Jeff. set" open, closed, open & closed & open again, or just continuous?
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Frank
    There was another thread posted concerning the US Mint article. I don't see a full step nickel as collectors have come to know in the past. If the Mint uses both of Schlags designs, I'm anticipating a slight angle shot of the Monticello but not to the degree Schlag originally had. And if there are some steps, they may be shorten across the front of the building, possibly to half of what they used to be. The step design will be so small, the significance of whether or not they are full steps will leave much to be desired.
    In any event, the new design will be significant enough to start a new series for collectors. IMO, the original design, series I, ended in 1970. Series II ended in 1989 or whenever they started the low relief design, series III.

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • CocoinutCocoinut Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leo,

    The "new " reverse is actually a re-working of the design that was used from 1938-2003. The Coin World article states that it is intended to be truer to Schlag's "straight-on" version of Monticello, not his original view from an angle. Among the changes are the window and door frames will once again be raised; they have been incused since the 1980's. Also, Schlag's initials "FS" will appear on the reverse to the right of Monticello, where the mint mark was from 1938-1964. That way, Schlag will be recognized as the designer of the reverse regardless of the obverse it is paired with in the future.

    So full step Jefferson's will continue, but with a different obverse.

    Jim
    Countdown to completion of my Mercury Set: 1 coin. My growing Lincoln Set: Finally completed!
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Leo,

    The "new " reverse is actually a re-working of the design that was used from 1938-2003. The Coin World article states that it is intended to be truer to Schlag's "straight-on" version of Monticello, not his original view from an angle. Among the changes are the window and door frames will once again be raised; they have been incused since the 1980's. Also, Schlag's initials "FS" will appear on the reverse to the right of Monticello, where the mint mark was from 1938-1964. That way, Schlag will be recognized as the designer of the reverse regardless of the obverse it is paired with in the future.

    So full step Jefferson's will continue, but with a different obverse.

    Jim >>



    The "different" obverse may look a lot like the one from 1938-2004 since that is one of their choices.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    United States Mint Announces “Return to Monticello” for 2006 Nickel

    Classic Schlag Design Restored to Original Clarity

    SAN FRANCISCO – The United States Mint announced today that the 1938 classic rendition of President Thomas Jefferson’s Virginia home of Monticello by Felix Schlag will return to the reverse of the Nation’s 2006 nickel. However, the design will be crisper and more detailed than Americans have seen it in recent years, having been carefully restored by United States Mint Sculptor-Engraver John Mercanti, using Schlag’s original artwork. Over more than 65 years of production, the United States Mint had slightly modified the design for technical reasons, such as die life extension. But now the Nation’s five-cent coin will display more of Schlag’s artistry.


    “Numismatists who examine the new 2006 nickel carefully will see an image that is now closer to the detail that Schlag intended,” said United States Mint Associate Director for Sales and Marketing, Gloria Eskridge, at a media availability during the American Numismatic Association’s World’s Fair of Money.


    “I strengthened the architecture of the image and re-established elements that reflect the original Schlag model,” explained Sculptor-Engraver Mercanti. “For instance, the facets of the dome of Monticello had just disappeared on the nickel over the years. They are back now.”


    Among the changes discussed by Ms. Eskridge and Mr. Mercanti were:


    • Facets of the dome of Monticello have been restored.


    • The balconies of the building have been reworked.


    • The detail around the door and windows has been incised and restored.


    The 2006 nickel, “Return to Monticello,” is the last in the United States Mint’s Westward Journey Nickel Series™ and signifies both the return of the Lewis & Clark Expedition from its 8,000 mile journey and the return of the Nation’s nickel to the reverse design of Monticello. A law passed by Congress and approved by President Bush in 2003 authorized the redesign of the Nation’s five-cent coin for the first time since 1938, when Felix Schlag won $1000 for his plaster models of the Jefferson nickel. He later submitted line drawings. The United States Mint used both in its restoration effort.


    The Westward Journey Nickel Series, commemorating the bicentennials of the Louisiana Purchase and the Lewis & Clark Expedition began in 2004 with the Peace Medal nickel, followed by the Keelboat nickel. This year, the United States Mint released the American Bison nickel to be followed by the Ocean in View nickel on August 1, 2005. The United States Mint will officially present the Ocean in View nickel to the American people on August 5, 2005, at Cape Disappointment in Washington State.


    The new obverse of the 2006 five-cent coin will be announced later this year.

    Hi Jim
    I hope you're right! I made my assumptions from the US Mint article shown above. I've highlighted the areas where I thought the Mint have suggested they are using both designs for the reverse. I just find it difficult to understand why they are using Schlag's original angle view of the Monticello which was rejected and later he changed his design to the head-on view. By the way the facets can be seen in Schlags second redemption of the Monticello. Something to the effect of Schlags original design may end up on the new reverse other than the tree. So what's left to imagine other than a slight angle view of the building?

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Leo,

    The "new " reverse is actually a re-working of the design that was used from 1938-2003. The Coin World article states that it is intended to be truer to Schlag's "straight-on" version of Monticello, not his original view from an angle. Among the changes are the window and door frames will once again be raised; they have been incused since the 1980's. Also, Schlag's initials "FS" will appear on the reverse to the right of Monticello, where the mint mark was from 1938-1964. That way, Schlag will be recognized as the designer of the reverse regardless of the obverse it is paired with in the future.

    So full step Jefferson's will continue, but with a different obverse.

    Jim >>



    The "different" obverse may look a lot like the one from 1938-2004 since that is one of their choices. >>



    Schlag's original design for the obverse showed no lines or hair details. I sure hope this isn't the case.

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • Leo:

    The reverse for 2006 is basically the reverse from 2003 but with added features similar to previous reverse improvements. The picture of the new reverse is in the August 15 Coin World. The obverse will not be a Schalag design according to the article.

    So it appears there will be full step Jeffersons in 2006.

    Frank
    (The Corso Collection) Always looking for high quality proof and full step Jeffersons - email me with details

    My Jefferson Full Step Variety Set (1938 - Current)

    My Jefferson Proof Variety Set (1938 - Current)
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The picture of the new reverse is in the August 15 Coin World.

    As crazy as some of you guys think I am but where did "Coin World" get this picture? The US Mint has yet to release any pictures of the 2006 nickel. I have searched their website and made a call this Sunday morning (That's right they have a 24/7 representative on hand taking calls from all over the world! lol) and the gentleman there has informed me that no pictures have been release yet. That the picture Coin World published is a depiction of their imagination! With the obverse is still in the works, I wouldn't rely to heavily on what Coin World thinks!
    In this website is a picture of Schlag's original design.
    And in this website, Schlag's changes or head-on wiew of the Monticello.
    What the US Mint comes up with from those two pictures has yet to be seen and I'm still leaning towards a slight angle shot of the Monticello!

    Leo image

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the website. Enjoyed it very much. Makes me want to start collecting the series.
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know what Coin World printed, but the Mint had all of the design choices at their table at the ANA including the one chosen for the reverse which is basically the same as 1938-2003 (just as Frank Notes). One of the possible obverse designs looks just like the obverse from 1938-2004.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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