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Question about a team being "--- games above .500"

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
It is very common, especially in baseball, to see and hear statements to the effect of a team being a certain number of games above .500. For example, a team with a record of 45 and 35 is said to be 10 games above .500.

I have always found these statements to be incorrect and wonder if I do not know math or if I do. If a team that is 45 and 35 instead had lost 10 additional games, it would be 35 and 45 (and most would say 10 games under .500). Going from 10 games over to 10 games under .500 would, at first glance, require 20 games, correct? In reality however, only ten more games were lost. If the same team had lost only 5 more games, its record would be 40 and 40 and with an equal number of wins and losses, it would truly be a .500 team (half wins and half losses).

I suggest that in truth a team that is 45 and 35 is only 5 games above .500 (which for a team that has played 80 games again would be a 40 and 40 record).

As another example, if a baseball team won all 162 regular season games and had a record of 162 and 0, it could not be 162 games over .500 since an 81 and 81 record after 162 games would be a .500 record.

Thus, if people insist (cuz it makes them feel better about their team) on focusing on the number of wins vs. losses, I suggest that they simply say that their 45 and 35 team has won 10 more games than it has lost.

What do you all say? Am I spreading heresy or do I simply have too much spare time on my hands?

Comments

  • I have too much time on my hands as well, but I've thought about it like this: If a team is 45-35, they are 10 games above .500, since if they lose their next 10 games, they will be at .500
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    huh?

    if a team won all its games there would be no need to say it is x amt of games over 500.

    SD
    Good for you.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, you are technically right about the "games over or under .500" - but I think that this is just used like a metaphor. The proper way of course to use "games" is in the standings as far as how many games a particular team is ahead or behind the other teams. The 1/2 game and full game correctly accounts for the "swing" which you discuss.

    Steve
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I agree stevek, however a team that is 45 and 35 is 10 games over 500. it is just that had it lost 5 of those games it would be at 500.
    thus your 1/2 and whole game swing.
    I think the confusion stems from the original post claiming that it is based upon 162 games when in fact it is based on 81?

    SD
    Good for you.


  • << <i>I suggest that in truth a team that is 45 and 35 is only 5 games above .500 >>

    bad logic. basic math tells you 45-35=10 not 5 . sorry
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