Why is MS Liberty weak compared to the rest of the details on this 1806 half?

fivecents

MS. Liberty is very weak compared to the the other deatails on this coin...any idea why? Please give grade opinions.

Baley

Might have something to do with that obv die crack causing the central portions of the obv to be weak..

I'd grade the coin Fine and think it was lightly "warshed off" at some time in the distant past.

fivecents

Baley...the details are the weakest on the left side of MS. liberty, mainly her hair, that is the same side as the large die crack.

I am going to send this to PCGS....she's to pretty to be placed in a bodybag.

dorkkarl

it's a strong V F for the die-marriage & die-state. it is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS struck like this.

pcgs will undergrade it, since they pay no att'n to dm's.

K S

fivecents

I paid VF money($255) for the coin. I figured it was a weakly struck VF.

tmot99

<< <i>it's a strong V F for the die-marriage & die-state. it is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS struck like this.

pcgs will undergrade it, since they pay no att'n to dm's.

K S >>

dorkkarl

<< <i>I paid VF money($255) for the coin. I figured it was a weakly struck VF. >>

you done good. keep it, & enjoy the wonder of early u.s. coinage.

K S

Nysoto

The O.116 die marriage in early die state can be very well struck, as this rare EDS with no reverse crack is 1806 O.116 EDS . Yours appears to be intermediate to late die state, where as Baley said the obverse die crack probably caused some sinking in the central left portion of the die, affecting the eagle's right wing as well. There is also lapping (polishing) of this die which will give a weaker appearance, on the next usage in 117 half of Ms Liberty disappears from excessive lapping.

My O.116 example is a very late die state that looks overgraded by ANACS until you examine the actual wear, and there is considerable luster in protected areas. The lower obv die crack is well advanced
1806 O.116 VLDS . As dorkkarl said you gotta good deal, read the edge before you slab it.

mozin

Send it to NGC under variety plus and hope they take note of the normal strike characteristics on this marriage.

777

Could be due to the fact that ms liberty is the highpoint of the coin, thus; first to wear in circulation? or in [1806] these were struck either on steam operated presses; or hand screwed down presses with dies cracked and still in use

PerryHall

<< <i>Could be due to the fact that ms liberty is the highpoint of the coin, thus; first to wear in circulation? or in [1806] these were struck either on steam operated presses; or hand screwed down presses with dies cracked and still in use >>



Steam powered presses weren't used until 1836.

stman

My example in an Anacs F-12 holder. As you can see Liberty's hair on left side virtually blends right into the fields.

dorkkarl

bee-you-tee-full

K S

stman

Thanks dorkkarl!!

fivecents

stman...Your 1806 looks just like mine. They almost look like the same grade.

Dorkkarl...glad to hear I did good. I really liked the coin when I first saw it in the dealer's case, but the lack of details had me worried the coin had been "played with".