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Holy Cardshow... The National Was Great
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Wow... I went to the National today and I must say, it was 10x better than last years. I didn't think prices were totally out of control, most dealers were very flexible, and nearly every single one of them claimed that the show had been very good for them, which is an excellent sign for the hobby.
I flew in and out today, and in 6.5 hours, I don't think I even saw every table, and I wasn't waiting in lines for auto's... heck, I didn't even eat lunch... it was beyond huge.
But, money was easy to spend... and the pickings were incredible...
Bought a complete 1964 Venezuela Topps set in EX + or -
Picked up several dozen other Venezuelan's, mostly from 1966
Found 1959 Bazooka cards of Maz & Del Crandell in G condition, but uncut from the back panel of the box... they'll clean up real nice
Found a complete run of all 4 variations of 1976 Topps cloth Bob Apodaca
Found, but did not buy, an incredible 1968 Topps 3-D Clemente proof which is believed to have been attached to the 1968 Brooks Robinson proto-type card when it was created. The $20K asking price was a little steep.
Amazing stuff... and PSA had the $4M nickle on display, right next to the PSA 8 Wagner...
Who else here went and what did you get?... got scans?... I'll post some later
I flew in and out today, and in 6.5 hours, I don't think I even saw every table, and I wasn't waiting in lines for auto's... heck, I didn't even eat lunch... it was beyond huge.
But, money was easy to spend... and the pickings were incredible...
Bought a complete 1964 Venezuela Topps set in EX + or -
Picked up several dozen other Venezuelan's, mostly from 1966
Found 1959 Bazooka cards of Maz & Del Crandell in G condition, but uncut from the back panel of the box... they'll clean up real nice
Found a complete run of all 4 variations of 1976 Topps cloth Bob Apodaca
Found, but did not buy, an incredible 1968 Topps 3-D Clemente proof which is believed to have been attached to the 1968 Brooks Robinson proto-type card when it was created. The $20K asking price was a little steep.
Amazing stuff... and PSA had the $4M nickle on display, right next to the PSA 8 Wagner...
Who else here went and what did you get?... got scans?... I'll post some later
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Steve
Wouldn't mind some scans?
congrats
mike
Julen
RIP GURU
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<< <i>Got back yesterday and found that I wish I would have had more time to look around. Actually just ended up buying some 75 PSA 9s and PSA 8s to get my set going, nothing expensive. Actually had more fun just looking around and enjoying the old stuff. Saw a Paige that was PSA 9 for $25,000. Funny thing though was seeing Lorenzo Lamas just sitting there with no one getting his sig.
Stingray >>
Thats really too bad Lorenzo is a really nice guy. I've met him a few times and he will sit and talk for hours if you let him.
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Stingray
Couldn't they find enough actual sports figures?
Cataloging all those pesky, unlisted 1963 Topps football color variations Updated 2/13/05
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<< <i>OK, I gotta ask..........Lorenzo Lamas?.........Penny Marshall????.........No disrespect to these fine individuals but what the heck are they doing at a SORTS CARD convention, signing auto's??? Who's next? That Jarod guy from Subway???
Couldn't they find enough actual sports figures? >>
Bow
Another area for the card companies is the Non-sport area where auto cards are hot as can be - since one is assured thru the company that the autos are good. This may cause them to bring out some stars, if they can afford/get them to attend.
On Penny - besides being a big sports buff, she was the Director of League of Their Own which brings her attention to this day.
I consider it one of the better sports related movies made.
mike
<< <i>actually penny marshall has a huge collection of sports memoribila, in fact, she is in the smr guide and also was featured on one of the tv news mags with her collection. >>
Ok, so she's a sports collector and fan, like you or me. I've never seen a card show with auto guests who were NOT sports personalities (athletes), is this common now?
Is it because athletes now want too much money to sign and the only people they can get are actors, and other celebs?
I saw on TV the other day that Willie Aames (8 is enough & Charles in Charge) isn't doing too much nowadays, I'll bet he'd be glad to sign at a show for a couple hundred bucks (maybe even a Big Mac'll do it).
Cataloging all those pesky, unlisted 1963 Topps football color variations Updated 2/13/05
On Penny and her appearance. If interested just scroll down to the part on her.
My first convention was in 1992 in Atlanta - there were all kinds of non-sport activities even then. And there were a few stars signing autos even then.
Pokemon, Yugioh etc. have helped to keep the struggling sports card companies affloat and really helped keep what card shops that are left viable.
I don't need them but the industry does. Diversity is the future.
mike
<< <i>Bow
Another area for the card companies is the Non-sport area where auto cards are hot as can be - since one is assured thru the company that the autos are good. This may cause them to bring out some stars, if they can afford/get them to attend.
On Penny - besides being a big sports buff, she was the Director of League of Their Own which brings her attention to this day.
I consider it one of the better sports related movies made.
mike >>
I do realize non-sports is becoming a big part of the collector card market, but when you have a show and it's called the "NATIONAL SPORTS CARD CONVENTION", I'd expect the emphasis to be on SPORTS. Card shop owners use to call their stores "Baseball Card Shops", but almost always had other sports as well. Then the trend changed to calling them "Sports Card Shops". Now, maybe they should start changing to "Collector Card Shops".....and "Collector Card Shows"......and "The National Collector Card Convention".
Cataloging all those pesky, unlisted 1963 Topps football color variations Updated 2/13/05
<< <i> I'd expect the emphasis to be on SPORTS >>
Bow
If there were 800 tables and let's say 50 were non-sport, e.g., that would be about 5-6%?
I think the emphasis is on sports. Are you saying that it should be exclusive? The goal of Tri-star and it's predecessors of the National was to make it truly a Family Outing - and if beanie babies brought mom and kids in - amen to that?
mike
Great scans! Are you going to grade the 64s?
How about some infor on the array of cloth sticks you picked up? Are those all the variations on material?
Are going to trim down the Bazookas?
thanx for taking the time to scan
very interesting
When you go to an "antique show", you're not going to find sellers of new CD's and DVD's, just antiques. When you go to a stamp show, you find stamps, not coins, unless it's refered to as a "stamp & coin" show. I'm just saying that if they want to have a certain number of non-sports dealers and auto guests, then the names of these events should reflect that. Who knows, if they did this it might actually bring in MORE people.
Cataloging all those pesky, unlisted 1963 Topps football color variations Updated 2/13/05
Cataloging all those pesky, unlisted 1963 Topps football color variations Updated 2/13/05
<< <i>I've never seen a card show with auto guests who were NOT sports personalities >>
The only National I attended (AC in 2003) had KISS as autograph guests. I thought it was weird at the time as well.
Nick
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Keith
On a side note, I learned quite a bit more about Venezuelan cards from him and several of my previous views on them have changed.
New ranks, based on ease of building a complete set with no glue, paperloss, pen marks, tape residue, etc:
Hardest to easiest: 1967 Retirado, 1964, 1967 MLB, 1967 Winter, 1966, 1968, 1959, 1962, 1960
Now, this goes against the PSA pop. report, but for good reason, I have skewed it with my submissions, as I own the majority of the Venezuelan cards listed in the report. The 1959, 1960 and 1962 set are easiest because there was no album issued, so if they were glued, it was into a scrapbook. The 1959's are slightly tougher than the 1962's just because they are more difficult to find in higher grade, but they do exist. Like the 1960 set, some of the cards are absolutely identical to their US Topps counterpart, and have not been properly identified as being Venezuelan. 1962 set is more difficult than 1960 because of a packaging problem which caused damage to a single card in every pack. The 198 card sets are easier also versus the 370 sets.
The 1964, 1966, 1967 & 1968 cards were all meant to be glued into albums which they distributed with the packs. He actually had a page of an album with a 1966 card glued to it, and you could see exactly why so few survive with no back damage. The 1964 & 1967 cardstock are the flimsiest of all the sets, making the cards much easier to damage.
Unmarked checklists in any set are the most difficult of any cards in the set, and that goes for every year except 1967, which there are no checklists. In years where the checklist was on the team card (1959, 1960), those unmarked team cards are also extremely difficult cards.
-Josh
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Yea, I'll take the '64 Yaz, the '69 Ryan and Teenage Tit Freaks please...
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Julen
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<< <i>Yea, I'll take the '64 Yaz, the '69 Ryan and Teenage Tit Freaks please... >>
damnit julen....you were supposed to PM that to me! that's why i never do business with you!
Was there all afternoon and evening Wednesday,
all day Thursday, nearly all of Friday and all day Saturday.
There were over 400 dealers set up, so the dozen or two that weren't sports related
were only a drop in the bucket and easy enough to walk past if you weren't interested.
The non-sports 'celebrities' were mainly off at side tables giving free autos
while the actual sports stars were in the main auto section where you had to wait in line and pay.
The playmates and glamour girls that I saw signing were stunningly,
can't-look-away gorgeous and didn't detract from my overall show experience in the least.
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