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Power seller scamming?

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Look at the mantle in this auction it is obviously in a PSA slab. Which leads me to believe this seller either chose not to picture the whole slab and add value to his auction by mentioning the graded Mantle and use PSA in the title to get more looks, YEAH RIGHT! or he is simply another POS scammer. Honestly I don't know what to make of this his feedback is good, he has a $ back guarantee, but why the card in the slab and no mention of it. That just screams stolen scan. I just don't know anymore.

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Collecting
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set image
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link isn't working.
  • Should work now
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is it.

    Link to Mantle
  • Two reasons not to show slab:

    1) Nasty qualifers on the flip regarding the "mark on the back."
    2) Stolen scan.

    I think reason one is more logical, considering the feedback.

    Cher
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't seem at all like a scam but an interesting point as to why not show the slab. My first inclination is that maybe it's a 1 with a filled in pinhole. Why not e-mail him for a scan of the slab and post it here?

    Steve
  • I sent him an email before posting hopefully I'll hear back. I just don't see any reason why he wouldn't post it. If it is the Qualifier thing thats just stupid since he already mentioned it. I'm so confused.

    Email to seller:

    "The picture of the mantle card is in a plastic case it looks like. Is it graded? "
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if this is the same seller as before. I had posted something similar a few months back on someone who was doing the same thing, showing a card that was in a holder, but just like this picture. I e-mailed him about it and all he said was, you will get the card in the picture.

    Stingray
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    This is odd. Seller already mentions that each card is written on, and makes no mention of any card being graded. (unless I missed that) I read through his description fast. He may possibly being showing a card for reference? I do know this though. as of late the term powerseller has become less and less in my eyes.

    SD
    Good for you.
  • srs1asrs1a Posts: 398
    "Power sellers" are just high volume sellers. If you read eBAYs requirements for power sellers all they have to do is maintain a feedback rating of >98% which is pretty pitiful.
    Dr S. of the Dead Donkeys MC
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    I asked the seller about the card. Here's my initial inquiry:

    "Hey, it looks like this card is graded by PSA. Could you email me a scan of the entire slab with the flip and cert number?

    Thanks!"

    His answer:

    "No, the card is in a plastic loader. It looks like that but it’s not."

    Didn't convince me.


  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    it sure as heck appears to me that it is in a slab.

    I guess the next question would have to be "is the card pictured the one I would receive"?

    once you HAVE to start asking questions like that it is time to move on and not bid with this guy.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With a Mantle card like that, why not send it in to PSA and it would be graded and just get a MK qualifier? Still would easily be worth the grading fees - not even close - and would add a lot of value to the card. A bit suspicious here from a powerseller who should know all of this.
  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    Here's what I got...



    << <i>Oh my goodness. It's inside half a PSA or other plastic holder. I purchased a few from a friend who bought a bunch of PSA or other empty holder cut in half. They make great storage or display. I described the card, why am I being hounded? If it was graded I would add that on the auction, it would sell for more. >>

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  • Well I guess that settles it he is a scammer. Loser.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    why is every other card shown raw? now after being asked a pertinent question the guy gets all defensive and says that its in a slab but not in a slab......ok




    not sure if its a all out scam, but he created the problem himself.

    I purchased a few from a friend who bought a bunch of PSA or other empty holder cut in half. They


    interesting
    Good for you.
  • Well he responded to all the other questions and completely ignored mine. Maybe its time for the whole "can you take a picture of it on a copy of todays newspaper?" routine.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    Send him the link to this thread image
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  • Why? So his lawyer can track me down. image
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    I asked the seller if the Mantle shown is the one sent and if he could provide a better scan. Didn't mention the board, but someone must have.

    "Actually it's described exactly as it's selling. Read the description, very light surface crease in the lower right corner hard to see, and it has a tiny mark on the back very small. You are getting the exact card picutred. I have a few plastic holders that were from PSA that were cut in half for storage and display. I I put the mantle in one just for the picture. Would it make everyone more comfortable if I took a picture of the damn card outside the holder? Do you want to make an offer on this? Also why am I the focus of a email board when my feedback is so stellar? Why would I jepordize my reputation over one auction? I have another auction up for a 1954 Bowman lot with a Mantle in a psa Half shell. I really wish people would stop being so paranoid!"
  • Yeah all of us have half a psa slab sitting around and think "you know what im getting ready to list this auction I think I will put the mantle in it to take the pic" come on this is BS.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Guys, I was the one that told the guy his auction was the subject of a message board discussion. It seemed too strange to me that someone with such extensive feedback would pull a scam, so I let him know why he was getting so many inquiries. Sorry if that upset anyone.

    Anyway, here was his latest response:

    "Here are scans of both my mantles I had in a partial case. Please get back
    on the chat board and give everyone the thumbs up for me. I had the same
    casing for my 1954 Bowman as well. Front and back pictures are bing
    presented to you. Were you able to see the small surface wrinkle on the
    right corner? It does not go all the way through. The 54 Bowman has no
    creases. Now would you like to make an offer?"

    I also attached the scan he included in his email to me. (Sorry for the large size...it's what he sent me.) I'm going to kindly suggest that he avoid using PSA cases instead of screwdowns in the future, as I think we'd all agree that would scare off bidders.

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    Hmmm...the scans clearly aren't working. I'll happily email them to someone that can host them...just PM me.
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    Sounds like he sent me the same scans. Here you go.
    Looks half decent to me aside from the marks on the backs.

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  • Well that is the same card so I guess this guy is legit. I still don't think I quite buy the half slab thing, just doesnt make sense. I knew something was up here besides a straight up scam because he does have excellent feedback. Seller should definitely refrain from using the slabs in the future it raised all kinds of red flags. The thing that bugs me the worst is all of you got responses for your questions I have yet to get one to mine and I was the one interested in bidding lol. Oh well.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Yes, you are the 50th email, you are getting the exact card picutred. I have a few plastic holders that were from PSA that were cut in half for storage and display. I I put the mantle in one just for the picture. Would it make everyone more comfortable if I took a picture of the damn card outside the holder? Do you want to make an offer on this? Also why am I the focus of a email board when my feedback is so stellar? Why would I jepordize my reputation over one auction? I have another auction up for a 1954 Bowman lot with a Mantle in a psa Half shell. I really wish people would stop being so paranoid!


    that was his reply to my simple question.

    I asked: is the card pictured the card that will be sent?

    thanks in advance for your reply.



    SD
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Would it make everyone more comfortable if I took a picture of the damn card outside the holder?

    yes to us that have lived through the nedsk debacle it would.
    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I described the card, why am I being hounded? >>



    He asked if we were being paranoid? This speaks volumes - as a minimum to his sense of customer service.

    For all those who are in some sort of "other than ebay" customer service occupation - I marvel at the attitude of some ebay sellers. Like I would have any business if I approached individual's questions in this manner?

    Scammer? I don't know. Low on customer service and attitude? Quite sure.

    mike
    Mike
  • i'm gonna ask him if i can send a sase if i win image
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>I described the card, why am I being hounded? >>



    Funny, I quoted the same line as Mike did - without knowing it. Shows how much this response makes him look like a tool.

    What do we know anyway - we're just a bunch of guys on an "email board" (what the heck is that?) image
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I described the card, why am I being hounded? >>



    Funny, I quoted the same line as Mike did - without knowing it. Shows how much this response makes him look like a tool.

    What do we know anyway - we're just a bunch of guys on an "email board" (what the heck is that?) image >>


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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just gotta believe that both these Mantles were sent in for grading and got rejected. Could be a "little" trimming there or possibly a filled in pinhole or staple holes.
  • I think that it is wholly appropriate that members of this board "notify"
    sellers when we find something that is "unusual" about their auction.
    This is especially true, when - as in this case - there was an early
    consensus that this sale was not a scam.

    If I was silly enough to put a card into a PSA marked slab before I took
    a sale picture of it, I hope that someone would tell me that I was
    messing up. This seller should be thankful that people are trying to
    help him correct an innocent error.

    I am mean and evil, but I would not have gotten "pist" about the heads-up.

    Cher
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< why am I being hounded? >>>

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  • Is it the expert opinion that these two Mantles are real and free from the normal trim job? They look really nice for the price. Thanks for any advice.
  • After what I have seen of the sellers customer service it is enough for me to stay clear. The cards look fine but its almost impossible to determine trimming from a scan.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    My guess is that he is using the holders he cracked cards out of because they would sell for more raw. The MK qualifier is a kiss of death for auctions for card values, and on a graded card it's harder to talk the marking down.

    Nick
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  • For those particular cards those MK qualifiers wouldn't mean crap. They would still sell for a super premium over raw.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    How exactly could someone bust a PSA slab and still end up with a case that you'd trust to hold a rare Mickey Mantle card? Look at his auction again. There's no evidence of the slab being busted...is there? Even if he did bust a PSA slab in such a way that you could put a card back in, would YOU trust that over a regular screw down? Something's fishy here. The most reasonable explanation to me is that he didn't like the grade he received, so he decided to sell it raw. But he first took a scan of the card in the PSA slab and just photoshopped off the flip.

    While I'm not in the market for these auctions, I'd probably stay away from this auction as there are just too many questions.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Would it make everyone more comfortable if I took a picture of the damn card outside the holder?


    lol yes it would.
    Good for you.
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