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SGC board is bashing the SMR
bobbybakeriv
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Okay, we all know that many of the folks over on the SGC board don't particularly like PSA. I for one really don't care as that board is a graveyard the majority of the time anyway. However, they now have a thread up stating that PSA is desperate to improve the SMR and that is why Joe O. is soliciting new contributers/writers. I think this is a good idea on PSA's part. Numerous guys on this board have a ton of insight and experience to offer.
Long story short: a couple of guys over there are basically opining that the SMR is a piece of garbage, etc. Question: Does SGC even offer a monthly price guide/magazine? Do these guys not have anything better to do than take every opportunity possible to bash PSA? It amazes me how jealous many over on that board seem. To be honest, I am embarrassed for some of them sometimes.
Long story short: a couple of guys over there are basically opining that the SMR is a piece of garbage, etc. Question: Does SGC even offer a monthly price guide/magazine? Do these guys not have anything better to do than take every opportunity possible to bash PSA? It amazes me how jealous many over on that board seem. To be honest, I am embarrassed for some of them sometimes.
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Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
R73 1933 Goudey Indian Gum - Series 288 - Nos. 118
Also looking for 1953 Parkhurst & 1953 Quaker Oats Ripley's BION.
If you have any available for sale PM me
war if i remm joe came on the non sports card forum asking for input. i sent him my input regarding mars attacks...............that was months ago. was there any change? not to my knowledge.
sd
<< <i>SGC board is bashing the SMR >>
We don't need SGC people to do that...we can do it ourselves!
<< <i>The guys over there would throw stone from the biggest glass house if they thought they could remotely bruise PSA. >>
well if they go tryin' to mess with Stone, then they're gonna have trouble on their hands..
<< <i>We don't need SGC people to do that...we can do it ourselves!
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heh
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<< <i>The guys over there would throw stone from the biggest glass house if they thought they could remotely bruise PSA. >>
well if they go tryin' to mess with Stone, then they're gonna have trouble on their hands.. >>
That right!
I had a tough winter with my head thing - with the weight I put on - if you can throw "me"? You be the baddest guy in the county!
<< <i>The SMR is a joke. Just check SMR values against ended Ebay auctions. That said I hope PSA does a better job with NonSports SMR values. If they would just track the Ebay results - their data would be much more accurate. >>
Yeah well I can agree with this for the most part the prices in the SMR are too high or too low. Example a 1957 Topps Minoso PSA 8 sold a day or so ago for $140.50 and the SMR is $80 but guess what the SMR is close on alot of stuff more than I can say about Beckett and on top of that when was the last time you saw a price guide list an item for $60 less than it sold for? I think the SMR is on track it just needs to be updated more regularily.
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
Everytime I e-mail PSA about wrong prices they say "We can't adjust our prices because of one sale." I gave up trying to inform them after getting that 20-30 times.
I understand where they are coming from, and a guide is exactly that,a guide. I don't think SMR has sucked because of the pricing issues. I think that the content has not been so great and I am happy to see that they are looking to improve that part.
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I bet they think our registry is pretty bad, too.
I've always thought of it as this: The SMR is an attempt to list the "demand" for the card. The pop report lists the "supply". The real price is obviously a bit of both... if only they could figure out how to combine the two...
Brian
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
R73 1933 Goudey Indian Gum - Series 288 - Nos. 118
Also looking for 1953 Parkhurst & 1953 Quaker Oats Ripley's BION.
If you have any available for sale PM me
many other factors invloved with a card on ebay than people think.
I personally think that graded card collectors think too much of themselves. Does anyone outside vintage set builder get cards graded
anymore?? I figure if PSA and BGS can't figure out which is the real Pujols bowman chrome autograph rookie card 5/500, then everything
else is a chance anyways!
JS
Actually considering the dynamics of the baseball card market, in my opinion the SMR is quite well done. Remember, it's a guide, it is not definitive prices - that would probably be impossible or close to impossible. Can it be improved...of course...any price guide such as this can always have room for improvement.
The pop report is probably the bigger joke as tons of cards have been cracked open and resubmitted. I know my 68 PSA 8 Mantle has been sent in on 3 different occasions hoping for a 9 over the last 3 years. Which means 2 of those in the pop don't exist. And who knows i may send it in again this year.
There is some of that.
On the SMR prices, it is important to realize/accept that ebay sales are really just
a very good "indicator" of what the market is doing on a particular day or hour.
Ebay prices do NOT equal the retail market and are weighted at - in my view -
about 85% toward wholesale. In other words, as someone else said: "Ebay is
kind of wholesale for everybody."
On the issue of that "everybody" group: I did a large "collectibles" show last
week. I likely talked to at least 200 people about ebay. The breakdown was
about like this. "Everybody" has heard of ebay. 20% of folks "claim" to have
used ebay. 85 % of folks have a negative or somewhat negative opinion of
ebay (for reasons that they usually cannot articulate or support with personal
anecdotes.)............ The FACT is that most people do NOT buy their stuff on ebay
MOST people buy their collectibles from "dealers" that are ACTUALLY just "medium-
sized collectors." Cards can be found, today, in just about every type of "collectible
shop." Such stores carry ALL collectibles and do not specialize in cards.
(In my market - top ten population - a store that "specializes" in ONLY cards would not
be able to pay the rent.)
SMR is a useful magazine, but it is another example of how little material is available
to card dealers - compared to say, stamps and coins. Last month's SMR was better
than the previous one; it will get better as more effort is expended to make it better.
I know that I am a "cheerleader" for PSA, in part, because I have a very substantial
investment in products that bear their name. Graded cards, in many markets, are
still in their infancy; I realized that at last week's collectible show. 90% of almost
every PSA sale was "educating" folks about why graded is better. (It was not PSA v.
some-other grader.)
Cher
R73 1933 Goudey Indian Gum - Series 288 - Nos. 118
Also looking for 1953 Parkhurst & 1953 Quaker Oats Ripley's BION.
If you have any available for sale PM me
Civil War News, the TV-series stuff, all of the other war cards
are very appealing to me. They all look a lot better in a PSA holder,
too. SMR should give them appropriate space in both prices and
feature stories.
Cher
R73 1933 Goudey Indian Gum - Series 288 - Nos. 118
Also looking for 1953 Parkhurst & 1953 Quaker Oats Ripley's BION.
If you have any available for sale PM me
SGC does, for those interested, have a price guide online. Been in place for a long time. Let me also add that there are exactly 2 posts about this subject on the SGC board consisting of one sentence each. If that is the widespread PSA bashing that you are worried about, I guess you scare easily.
With that said, price guides, book values etc are what's killing this hobby. Cards should be fun, not for profit.
<< <i>I personally think that graded card collectors think too much of themselves. >>
This is probably true. I consider myself a solid 8, but my wife likely regards me as a 7 with a qualifier.
I think that SMR could use some significant improvements, and, based on discussion on this board, many people agree. As it stands now, I get one every year or so and use it as a price reference. The one I have on my desk now is October 2004. Two of the articles in this issue are mildly interesting, but certainly not enough for me to be a regular subscriber.
I thought that the vintage hockey articles written by Tom Papa were a breath of fresh air -- although breaking the article in half and delaying publication of the second half for an extended period of time left something to be desired. I hope Joe can pick up a skilled hobbyist to strenghten SMR. I hope SMR becomes something that I would like to read on a regular basis, but today it is not.
Stingray
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SRS1 - your quote, "Perhaps realization that SMR sucks and that may of the folks that might help repair it are at the National. Just a thought ." I guess you were just offering sincere and positive coaching by eloquently pointing out that the "SMR sucks." Thanks.
SouthernCards, your point is understood and noted. I guess "bashing" is too strong of a word. My point was really meant to be this: how can anyone criticize others for lackluster performance on something that your company doesn't even offer?
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<< <i>Heck I don't need a priceguide, a card is only worth what I am willing to pay for it. >>
Right on Stingray!
And on the flip side if you go to sell a card, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. It's much simpler looking at it this way.
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http://popreport.sgccard.com/pricelist.asp
<< <i>The guys over there would throw stone from the biggest glass house if they thought they could remotely bruise PSA.
well if they go tryin' to mess with Stone, then they're gonna have trouble on their hands.
That right!
I had a tough winter with my head thing - with the weight I put on - if you can throw "me"? You be the baddest guy in the county!
Stone, do you mean a "Judo throw", or a "bartender grab by the collar and seat of the pants" throw?
Brooksie, I strongly recommend that you stay away from PRO or GEM or AAA even if they change to a nice-looking holder. It matters! Point is well taken about PSA's holder needing an update, but I don't use PSA for the cosmetics of the holder.
I think PSA wants something for free and they are not going to get it here!
jackstaw, I don't think Joe was soliciting free stories but, speaking for myself, I would do it. That is, I would if I was able to commit to a feature-length story every month such as David Laurel writes. I have proposed something shorter and more flexible, and time will tell if Joe thinks it's a good idea or it sucks. Anyway, I think SMR could be improved in editorial content and I am willing to contribute something that I think it needs. I hope there is some compensation, if only grading vouchers or a free membership, but like Shoeless Joe said in Eight Men Out:
I'd play this game for meal money. Hell, I'd play this game for nuthin'.
Stingray