Ok, WHO is the BEST (eligible) player that is NOT in MLB HALL OF FAME

GoBravesGo

and why they deserve to be there?

Axtell

Pete Rose.

He was banned by MLB, not by the hall of fame (they are seperate entities).

He could be allowed on the HoF ballot if the HoF wanted to put him on.

As far as why, does that need to be discussed?

joestalin

yep, open up the cheat and urinate on the game wing at Coopertown. Pete can be the first in..maybe a few bookie sheets. Then Mac
can come in with some used syringes. Sosa can bring his cork, maybe Javy his tree limb arms. Who needs fair play now a days??

JS

Don't forget the brother wing...Jason and Jeremy Giambi

Stone193

Berk Ross

It's amazing how many people don't know his name! Heck, he was better than Yogi!

Axtell

Joe-

How did Pete cheat and lie during his playing days?

How did what he did after he played on the field affect his ability on it?


And that Ty Cobb, he sure was an upright, outstanding citizen! Bigot and admitted himself he'd slide into second spikes up intent on harming the fielder.

But hey, it was within the rules, right!

iamthegreatcornholio

there was a good discussion of this on the psa registry forum some time ago - here's the old thread link

brian

joestalin

Ax

Pick up a newspaper, even Rose knows he is guily, He bet on games he was managing/playing in? How much more do you need? Pete
pretty much said, screw baseball, this whole game is about me me me, I can do what ever I want.

You think that is something that belongs in cooperstown? Comparing that to Cobb is just silly.

I found his book at the dollar store and the first three chapters are about gambling, not playing.....he really thinks, even today, that he
is great and he did nothing wrong.

JS

WinPitcher

I am not going to get involved in this thread lest whatever i say gets picked apart, splits off into a million tangents and scenarios.

I'll go with Berk Ross as he was a better catcher then Piazza (who has been claimed to be the greatest catcher ever)

SD

zef204

Stalin-

Rose's feats on the field are unparalleled.

Cobb was one of the most hated men in his time so that comparison is just and accurate.

stevek

Roy Hobbs - Had unquestionably the greatest season in MLB history as documented in the movie "The Natural" based on his biography.

abmluce

How about Jim Rice. He had better stats than many hof's but his surliness towards
the media hurt his chances.

1420sports

Pete Rose.

He was banned by MLB, not by the hall of fame (they are seperate entities).

He could be allowed on the HoF ballot if the HoF wanted to put him on.

As far as why, does that need to be discussed?

Axtell, you are correct and I agree completely.

xbaggypants

Shoeless Joe Jackson

GoBravesGo

well Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose are certainly deserving of the Hall, but I did not want this thread to be a debate about people them... or about those not eligible yet (McGwire, Ripken, Palmerio, etc)

I was hoping to get names like we have so far - BERK ROSS (tell us more about him), Jim Rice, Roy Hobbs?, etc.

I would have to add that I thing that I was always surprised that Gil Hodges and Roger Maris werer not in the HOF.

MORE?????

Axtell

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I would have to add that I thing that I was always surprised that Gil Hodges and Roger Maris werer not in the HOF.

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Why would Roger Maris be in the hall? Career .260 batter, 275 HR, top 10 ops just three times. He simply wasn't good enough long enough.

And Gil Hodges? Good player, great guy (from what I've read), but just never dominated the game for any period of time (for me, at least) to warrant induction into the hall.

I think there's a reason there isn't an overhelming cry for either of these two.


If I had to pick one player who is really been left out, I would go with Jack Morris.

Winningest pitcher of the 80s, led the league in wins twice, was second in wins twice.

First in Ks once, third twice. Five time all star. 4 top 5 Cy Young finishes (2 top 3).

.577 winning percentage with nearly 2500 Ks. I think because he never got to those 'magically' round numbers like 3000 Ks or 300 wins he is overlooked.

WinPitcher

And Gil Hodges?[/

FYI Gil Hodges lost out last year by a few votes if I am not mistaken.

granted it was the vets commitee.



as for morris I agree he was a dominate pitcher, many remm him though and all those 18-16 years early on and perhaps that keeps him out. he and blyleven both are deserving.

I go with jim kaat and his longevity and 16 gold gloves. plus he has been a great sportscaster too. quality guy all the way.

SD

SDSportsFan

I'd have to pick Goose Gossage...probably the most feared reliever (except for maybe Eckersley)!


Steve

DeutscherGeist

Jim Rice--a real dominant player for a significant stretch. No magic numbers, but then again, he was not a longevity player, he was dominant. One of the most feared hitters at one time.

Jack Morris--had years of dominance, was a WS winner 3 times!, no magic longevity numbers though, but was the winningest pitcher in the 1980's.


Bruce Sutter--innovated the closer role with his special pitch. Dominant at his position. No longevity, but the Hall is for people that innovate and make their mark in the sport.

Don Mattingly--dominant hitter, no longevity numbers, but led MLB in OPS+ twice (less than 20 players in the last 100 years achieved that feat--talk about dominance), MVP, BA title, 6 All-Stars, 9 GG, Consecutive HR record. Excellent sportsmanship and character.

WinPitcher

diest (oops i mean giest)

what do you consider as a longevity guy?

Rice played for 16 yrs.

this is asked with respect, just would like to know what you consider longevity.

DeutscherGeist

by longevity, I mean the guys that get 3000K, 300 wins, 500 homers, or 3000 hits. Hitting those mile stones is one way to get into the Hall. The other way is if they were truely the best for a shorter but significant time (dominant players).

Best example of a dominant type player is Sandy Koufax. He has less than 200 wins, but those that saw him play have no question that he belongs even though he played only 10 years or so.

An example of a longevity player would be Robin Yount. He got 3000 hits, but he was no Wade Boggs.
Niekro got 300 wins, but he was no Koufax. Palmeiro was not dominant, but he got those milestones.

some rare players have both dominance and longevity. Roger Clemens comes to mind. He has over 300 wins, 4000Ks, but was also the best pitcher for many years as well. Earning the CY Young for 7 years indicates that. Leading in ERA this year indicates his dominance.

WinPitcher

hmm i thought that would be "milestone guys" longevity is lenght of time no?

i guess my question then is how long is acceptable to you for a guy to reach a milestone ...say 3000 hits? under 16 yrs? over 16 would be hanging on?


sd

DeutscherGeist

If you get 3000 hits, you get 3000 hits. It does not matter how long it takes. Reaching a milestone, is reaching a milestone. However, the HOF voters must decide the worthiness of talent if a player used 30 years to get 3000 hits. In this day and age, if a player does not perform, he is easily replaced by a young rookie for minimum wage who has plenty in the tank. It is hard to play for 25 years without some talent since there is always a new guy waiting in the wings that the manager won't hesitate to try.
Nolan Ryan played almost 3 decades, but he showed he deserved to be on the roster with his durability and ability to get guys out.

coinkat

Gil Hodges and Frank Howard were discussed before and I recognize I have the minority view on these two. I REMEMBER Elston Howard was also discussed.

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