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Greyside Quiz, what is wrong with this picture??

MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
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It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

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  • newsmannewsman Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭
    It's not an MS69.
  • vrtech99sbossvrtech99sboss Posts: 333
    Should it be designated a proof? image
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  • newsmannewsman Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Should it be designated a proof? image >>



    I would guess P-L.
  • vrtech99sbossvrtech99sboss Posts: 333


    << <i>

    << <i>Should it be designated a proof? image >>



    I would guess P-L. >>



    Yeah, that's what I meant imageimage
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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    Looks to me like it is hairlined all to hell!
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  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    Look out Mikey!!!!!!!!!imageimage
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  • vrtech99sbossvrtech99sboss Posts: 333


    << <i>Looks to me like it is hairlined all to hell! >>



    That's what my 14 year old said (well, actually he said it "looks all scratched up.") image
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like to think it is die polish... but let's step back and take a deep breath with respect to certain issues... I am sorry but even if it is MS69, does it really matter? Seriously, try and find an Edward VII quarter or half in AU55 and higher. These are coins worth looking for now, not the coin pictured here. Sorry, but someone needs to say this at some point.

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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    No need to be sorry, Kat! I'm sure nobody's offended!

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess an apology is still in order because, from my own experience, many of the George V quarters and halfs are not easy in AU 55 and higher.

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like to think it is die polish... but let's step back and take a deep breath with respect to certain issues... I am sorry but even if it is MS69, does it really matter? Seriously, try and find an Edward VII quarter or half in AU55 and higher. These are coins worth looking for now, not the coin pictured here. Sorry, but someone needs to say this at some point. >>



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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Meybe there is nothing wrong! Maybe it is a MS coin.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • tbirde56tbirde56 Posts: 2,161
    MS...BU...P/L. To some of us it's all the same.
    I think the point Coinkat may be trying to make, and I agree with, is that it's not just about the GRADE, especially in trying to obtain the ultra highest possible just for its own sake. It's about the COIN, it's history, the beauty of its design, the possibility of a very low mintage.
    To me, an MS69, or not, Churchill crown would be more collectible than an MS69 Loon just because there is more history to it. Personally, I would not seek to collect either one in MS although I do have regular circulation Unc examples that I'm very satisfied with. Maybe in 30 years that Loon may begin to earn some pedigree to warrant interest.
    An ultra high MS grade coin seems to be like NCLT, nice but not made for the general hobbyist's needs or desires. And listings of just slabbed MS grade coins is just a waste of space without any pictures.
    But, to each, his own.
    Just my own honest opinion.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As much as TPG is needed, an MS69 CHURCHILL CROWN may not exist...

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I think everyone has missed my point to this thread. Actually the coin is a very neat coin, the lines you see are part of the pattern of the coin. It's almost a burnished look. The point I was trying to make is that it's a PL coin that got graded MS, not only did this one get graded MS 14 PL $1 and $2 coins got graded MS and not PL!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess this must be the part of Canada next to Seattle and it just rains alot...image Seriously, I am kidding about that comment. Yet I am not sure I agree MM that we missed the point.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,449 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a PL coin, not MS?

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I don't know, even on the lightside the Sacs have a following. I love the Loonies in Proof, This style looks very nice in hand. But it is a PITA to photograph.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    With all due respect to Madmarty (who I have grown to like very much), I think Coinkat in fact framed the point.
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  • tbirde56tbirde56 Posts: 2,161
    Okay, I'll give ya a Twonie for the Loony but that's my final offer. image

    > an MS69 CHURCHILL CROWN may not exist...

    Gee, I couldn't imagine! The horror! image
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For the record, I think MM adds much to the forum. I don't want to be classified as an MM critic... but I think I have made my point.

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    MM is a real asset, he brings a fresh and different view to the Darkside.
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I love my old darkside stuff also, but it just goes to show that the picture doesn't bring out the true likeness of that coin. The lines are not die polish, and as the lightsiders say it may be modern crap. But I just wanted to share...
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I love my old darkside stuff also, but it just goes to show that the picture doesn't bring out the true likeness of that coin. The lines are not die polish, and as the lightsiders say it may be modern crap. But I just wanted to share... >>



    And there is nothing at all wrong with that. I do collect modern Silver Britannia coins after all.
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Personally, I think Loonies are just ducky!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Personally, I think Loonies are just ducky!!! >>



    You sir are a quack!image
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  • BailathaclBailathacl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭
    I'm still trying to get the image of an MS69 Churchill Crown out of my head. Good luck sleeping tonight....
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  • newsmannewsman Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭
    I think MM makes a good point about the inconsistency of the PL vs MS designations at PCGS.
  • MSD61MSD61 Posts: 3,382 ✭
    Well looks the the question was answered.....I'll be moving a long nowimage
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  • CruziCruzi Posts: 460
    Stupid question, but I really don't know as we have been spared TPG's over (down) here.

    What is the difference between specimen and proof-like?

    To me, they would be the same would they not?
  • trollingtrolling Posts: 58
    MadMarty, you have some very nice coins.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Stupid question, but I really don't know as we have been spared TPG's over (down) here.

    What is the difference between specimen and proof-like?

    To me, they would be the same would they not? >>



    That is a question that has perplexed me for a while now. Take the 1967 issue, I have gotten MS, SP and PL coins back. I think the TPGs give it thier best WAG!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • weresteveweresteve Posts: 1,224 ✭


    << <i>Personally, I think Loonies are just ducky!!!

    You sir are a quack!image >>



    So ... what else is new ... he's been quackers for a long time ... image
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  • kuhlikuhli Posts: 501
    Mad Marty said

    << <i>That is a question that has perplexed me for a while now. Take the 1967 issue, I have gotten MS, SP and PL coins back. I think the TPGs give it their best WAG! >>



    This statement proves the underlying problem with TPGs. If they cannot even differentiate between an MS, SP or PL coin with any consistency, how the heck and I supposed to trust them to know the difference between MS66, MS67, MS68 or MS69?? Pray that my money gets me a good WAG??????
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  • CruziCruzi Posts: 460
    Sorry if this sounds like a lightside post but here goes.....

    In my understanding of coins and methods of manufacture, both proof and specimen are types of coin, not grades, so in theory it is possible to have MS gradings assigned to specimen coins.

    Proof-like is a description, not a grade or type of coin IMHO.

    All this confusion is greatly contributed to by marketing methods of the Mints, where specimen coins are marketed as Specimens, Gem Uncirculated or Proof Like or any of the other strange descriptions that marketers can think of.
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