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Mark on card affects the grade by how much?

1959 Willie Mays 'The Catch'. Does it drop the grade 2 like having a qualifier would?

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  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭
    It would not lower the grade, but it would earn an MK qualifier.

    Does anyone else think the top edge looks trimmed?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I like how the seller claims the mark is small. small my A##

    the line riuns right through the B

    as for it being trimmed I have no idea. I would not buy that card to get graded. Id buy it for the right price though if i was building a raw set.

    I always like when a seller claims a card is psa gradeable, sure it is(every card can qualify for that statement) if this card was so gradeable then why didnt the seller send it to PSA?

    IBNERD stay away from that card.

    sd
    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great Centering >>


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    1bb
    If the guy can say this with a straight face - I would move on.

    mike
    Mike
  • PeetiePeetie Posts: 627 ✭✭
    Wow, I was reading the back of that card. Was the Polo Grounds CF fence really 480 feet?

    Yeah, that mark on the back sucks.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    yes it was....it was I think 260 down the rf line too. it was a polo field turned into a baseball field.

    sd
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Baseball Fever....Catch it!

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    Mike
  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭✭
    O like the quirky aspects of the old ball parks.

    While it was death valley to center there look at the lines for pull hitters! How many of today's bandboxes have lines like that!!
    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • It's been said - it'll get a "MK" qualifier. If you are looking to send this card in, do not buy it.

    I've ran into "PSA Gradable" cards too. Damn key-word spammers.

    I'm still waiting for someone to legally change their name to Paco Sanchez Acevedo, so they can include their initals in the auction title...

    Brian
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Payment must be received within 3 days of the end of the auction.

    guy takes MO and expects payment in 3 days? wouldn't the ebay policy take precedence <sp> over that?

    I would love to email this guy, had i won the card and demand the card in 3 days after payment was recieved.

    Card would receive very high PSA grade except for small ink mark on the back at the top of the card


    my car would fetch top dollar too except for the smashed in fender.

    Good for you.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also "kills" the value of a card. And don't even think about the possibility of cleanly removing the ink mark - can't be done - I know because I have tried it over the years every which way but loose - LOL
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Also "kills" the value of a card. And don't even think about the possibility of cleanly removing the ink mark - can't be done - I know because I have tried it over the years every which way but loose - LOL >>


    Steve
    That reminds of the story that Mr Mint tells about how he picked up this really clean 53T set - walked the floor of the National and flipped it to another dealer for a quick profit.

    A while later the dealer comes running over to Rosen and tells him to take the set back! The guy had neatly stamped each card with tiny initials!!!

    He had to eat the set - and there was NO WAY to get the ink out!

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    Mike
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Id take a 53 set like that. would not pay top dollar of course but I would think it still held some value? 33% ?

    what do u guys think?

    sd
    Good for you.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< That reminds of the story that Mr Mint tells about how he picked up this really clean 53T set - walked the floor of the National and flipped it to another dealer for a quick profit.

    A while later the dealer comes running over to Rosen and tells him to take the set back! The guy had neatly stamped each card with tiny initials!!!

    He had to eat the set - and there was NO WAY to get the ink out! >>>

    Mike - Good story.

    I'm in the computer graphics printing business which also gets involved in inkjet and other types of inks and also chemicals, etc., to clean ink in various ways from simply cleaning dried ink off of clogged inkjet cartridge heads to cleaning ink off of printing equipment mechanisms. Obviously, these cleaners are carefully designed not to damage anything else but they sure don't work on baseball cards - LOL. Yes the cleaners do remove the ink but to get it removed, half the layer of the card also gets removed - LOL. I would have to think that ink cleaner manufacturers have constantly attempted over the years to achieve removing ink from quality papers without causing any damage to the paper, with of course no success thus far.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Id take a 53 set like that. would not pay top dollar of course but I would think it still held some value? 33% ? >>>

    Would normally be way, WAY less than 33%.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Id take a 53 set like that. would not pay top dollar of course but I would think it still held some value? 33% ?

    what do u guys think?

    sd >>


    Ya know Steve
    I don't know? If the set was a solid Nm - how much would you drop the set for having the initials stamped on the back? Can you ask for no qualifier on a "marked" card? If so, what grade would they assign?

    I know if there is a pin hole - PSA automatically goes 1 no matter what it looks like.

    mike
    Mike
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< I don't know? If the set was a solid Nm - how much would you drop the set for having the initials stamped on the back? Can you ask for no qualifier on a "marked" card? If so, what grade would they assign? >>>

    I hear ya Mike - Depends of course on the collector and whether or not the marks would be "acceptable" at any price. And if it was acceptable at what price? Just from watching ebay for a number of years, cards with ink marks usually sell for less than 10% of the price they would normally sell for without the mark - sometimes less and sometimes more, again...depending of the type of mark. For me, no type of mark is acceptable although I must admit, I've seen some nice raw NM type key 50's cards with marks that I've been tempted to bid on because of the "bargain" price because of the marks, but still decided not to.


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    << <i>Also "kills" the value of a card. And don't even think about the possibility of cleanly removing the ink mark - can't be done - I know because I have tried it over the years every which way but loose - LOL >>


    Steve
    That reminds of the story that Mr Mint tells about how he picked up this really clean 53T set - walked the floor of the National and flipped it to another dealer for a quick profit.

    A while later the dealer comes running over to Rosen and tells him to take the set back! The guy had neatly stamped each card with tiny initials!!!

    He had to eat the set - and there was NO WAY to get the ink out!

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    I think I am a bit confused. Were the initials on the cards when Rosen sold them to the other dealer or did that dealer write the initials on them?
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Also "kills" the value of a card. And don't even think about the possibility of cleanly removing the ink mark - can't be done - I know because I have tried it over the years every which way but loose - LOL >>


    Steve
    That reminds of the story that Mr Mint tells about how he picked up this really clean 53T set - walked the floor of the National and flipped it to another dealer for a quick profit.

    A while later the dealer comes running over to Rosen and tells him to take the set back! The guy had neatly stamped each card with tiny initials!!!

    He had to eat the set - and there was NO WAY to get the ink out!

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    I think I am a bit confused. Were the initials on the cards when Rosen sold them to the other dealer or did that dealer write the initials on them? >>


    Jeff
    Sorry for not being clear - Mr Mint did NOT notice the initials on the back because they were small and it was neatly stamped. So he bought crap and missed it.
    I'm going to guess that the story was in his original book.
    I'm bettin' it was embarassing for him to have missed the marks?
    mike
    Mike
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Speaking of marked cards.

    Here's a story just recently told:

    A person was talking about how his mom died young in the 1970s and his dad decided to sell the house. In his haste, he left a lot of stuff behind. Some stuff was stored at the Grandparents. When the person went to the grandparents, in the 80s, to see if his cards were there (from the late 50s I believe), they were gone.

    It is now the present. He went to a card shop that was near his hometown and asked the shop owner if he had certain cards. The guy went in the back and pulled out a 3200 ct. box full of material in vg shape - he was thumbing thru the cards and found one with his name on it! - and recognized his childhood handwriting!

    Now that's good karma!!! image

    mike
    Mike
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    There are plenty of horror stories about marked cards. Someone on this board a while back told one about a beautiful Pete Rose rookie - until the seller decided to write the price directly on the card. Simeon Lipman (Antiques Roadshow) tells one about someone who ran across a treasure trove of high-grade tough pre-WWI material (including Fatimas), and was told that the corner wear they had reduced the value, so he clipped all the corners off each card the night before he brought them in for evaluation!

    Nick
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